Well, one final bleat and then I'm going back to work.  :-)

Being an advocate of vi on Unix and Slick Edit on WinDoze, I was
"forced" (almost at gun point) to use Eclipse the first time.  I hated
it so much that I refused to find anything good about for the first two
or three weeks. Constantly harping about this and that and the other to
no end.  And to no avail, I might add.

HOWEVER - after that period of initial rebellion, I found that Eclipse
was better than ANY other IDE that I had used previously.  The really
tight integration with Ant and CVS convinced me.  Also, I can have a
plug-in for Jess, OPSJ, CLIPS or any other rule engine (or all) without
charge.

Today, it's my editor of choice.  Yes, I'm Java-centric.  And I like it
that way and I intend to stay that way.  

SDG
jco
 
James C. Owen
Knowledgebased Systems Corporation
Senior Consultant


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Brad Cox, Ph.D.
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JESS: Jess IDE -> Eclipse plug-in

On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 11:11, un ethix wrote:
> My personal thoughts on this are, not knowing what eclipse is (apart
> from a 'general IDE'), and not wanting to use Jess for large scale
> development efforts, I am naturally against being constrained to
> having to learn how to use and download something like Eclipse in
> order to have a Jess IDE.

Mind some advice from someone who was making the very same arguments a
very short while ago?

Don't waste another minute believing (as I did) that tools like
vi/emacs/make/ant are "good enough". Download it and learn it. Do it
now. The benefits are huge but hard to describe concisely so I won't
even try.

The costs are roughly these: (1) telephone charges for a one-time
overnight download which needn't be supervised; just let 'er rip while
you sleep (not sure what those are in the UK, zero in my case via cable
modem), (2) a RAM upgrade to around 500mb at about $200; don't try with
much less, and (3) about a week of learning time, mostly spent
convincing yourself that eclipse terminology (ie. workspace) maps
directly to stuff you already know (project directory).

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