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Jon Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> on 7/11/01 5:39 PM, "burtonator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > For starters... don't put words in my mouth. Did I say that Jetspeed sucks?
> > No. I was very careful not to even *remotely* give that impression.
>
> "I do not believe this is the future of this technology."
Ah yes.. This carefully worded sentence explains your confusion.
> > I want you to think of this. If I proposed an alternative architecture and
> > called it Jetspeed 2.0 would your reaction have been so extreme? I don't
> > think so.
>
> Correct. Why? Because it would have you attempting to be a part of this
> project and not some concoction that you came up with yourself.
Don't you think this is illogical? It doesn't matter where you innovate just
that it is done in an open manner.
> > 1. Turbine is not dual licensed and is not available under the GPL. Huge
> > restriction to my freedoms. IE I can't use it when I put on my GPL hat.
>
> Bullshit. I already told you that the ASF's view is that the two licenses
> are compatible.
Again... Doesn't matter what the ASF thinks. It matters what the FSF (and
Stallman) thinks.
I think you miss the point:
- - say you are right. What happens? Nothing. You get to use the BSD
- - say I am right. What happpens? Both licenses can be used by both camps and
everyone is happy.
<snip>
> > 3. I have not had time to work within the ASF because I am spending all my
> > time
> > working on OpenPrivacy. Hopefully this will change soon.
>
> Lame excuse.
yeah... right. Spending 15 hours a day working on OpenPrivacy stuff certainly
allows me plenty fo time to work within the ASF.
<snip>
> >> You left a huge mess behind yourself and now you come back expecting or even
> >> suggesting that people jump ship and follow you? You just confirmed my
> >> suspicions that you are nuts. :-)
> >
> > There are number of ways one can categorize another's personality. One is as
> > a
> > revolutionary and yet another is as an evolutionary.
> >
> > I fall into the former category. It is what I am good at. OpenPrivacy
> > technologies are revolutionary and if you have an evolutionary personality I
> > don't expect you to understand/appreciate them.
>
> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Very mature response.
> > The ASF *thrives* as an evolutionary model. Anyone who acts as a
> > revolutionary within the ASF is quickly crushed under opposition. Reptile
> > will start to make sense soon but I expect you to still take a stuborn stance.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Velocity is a revolution. Ant is a revolution. Jserv was a revolution.
> Catalina is a revolution.
Not by my definition. I don't see Ant, Velocity etc as being anything other
than a revolution which is 6 months out. These are also tools which impact a
very small percentage of the population.
The work we are doing under OpenPrivacy is at least on a 10 year timespan and
should affect the entire population of the Internet. ... THAT is a revolution.
> > I think that one of the *best* features of the Open Source model is that
> > revolutionaries and evolutionaries can work together. Clearly Jetspeed has
> > been in the evolutionary process for a while now.
>
> Jetspeed has been stuck trying to clean up the mess you left behind.
Yeah... you are right. What was I thinking. The work I did on Jetspeed was
terrible and everyone should stop using/working on it. Oh wait... don't think
that will happen because a lot of people like Jetspeed and want to see it move
forward.
I hope the Jetspeed team continues and succeeds with all their goals. The only
differences WRT Reptile/Jetspeed are that Reptile has a broader set of goals
(IMO) and we just have an architecture philosophy difference.
Kevin
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