Thanks for the feedback... my desire for the source was more geared at understanding the overall architecture and inserting some debugging code to see why my services were failing... I can implement turbine services just fine, but portlet services are not reliable.
I am curious about whether Turbine will move forward with WPS? -------------------- David Allen Managing Director Rapidigm's Portland Solutions Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] (503) 225-9090 "A World of Business Information Solutions" <http://www.rapidigm.com/solutions> -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Schaeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:21 AM To: Jetspeed Users List Subject: RE: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? Hi David, you are right that as WPS 1.2 shares parts of the JetSpeed/Turbine code, the source code for those parts is accessible in the JetSpeed/Turbine CVS. Nevertheless, from our perspective, all code - be it open source or our own com.ibm-code counts as internals of the implementation of our product and we can't guarantee that the next release of WPS will still use that same code. In fact, there definitively will be changes for WPS 4.1, so if you get source code from the JetSpeed or Turbine CVS and implement something based on that, it may be that it does not work anymore with future WPS versions because maybe a part you use will need to change. This is why I recommend to only use the officially documented WPS APIs and the Portlet API. To a large degree, you can customize WPS without actually using/changing its source code. I'd be interested in what parts of WPS you envision to customize, getting this kind of information helps us to define the right SPIs ... But I guess we should take that offline since after all we are on the JetSpeed Mailing-List, not the WPS list. Have a happy new year ! Best regards, Thomas Thomas Schaeck Architect, WebSphere Portal Server IBM Pervasive Computing Division Phone: +49-(0)7031-16-3479 Mobile: +49-(0)171-6928407 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-(0)7031-16-4888 Address: IBM Deutschland Entwicklung GmbH, Schoenaicher Str. 220, 71032 Boeblingen, Germany David Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 12/28/2001 07:57:17 PM Please respond to "Jetspeed Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Jetspeed Users List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? Thomas, The Jetspeed code that is bundled with WPS should be available in source form correct? I understand that the com.ibm packages are proprietary and I have no interest in the source for these, however, the org.apache packages all should have source available if I understand the Apache license. Can you shed some light on the IBM position on this? Thanks, David BTW: We are a premiere level IBM partner, intent on doing about 25% of our business in 2002 in providing WPS integration and customization services, no foe, just a friend with questions... -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Schaeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:05 AM To: Jetspeed Users List Subject: RE: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? WebSphere Portal Server defines APIs (Portlet API and SPIs) so that customers should not need the source of the WPS product. Only the documented APIs should be used to avoid dependencies of customer project code to the codebase of a particular release of WebSphere Portal Server. Our goal is to standardize the Portlet API so that JetSpeed, WPS, and other portals will have the same Portlet API. This does of course not mean that the different portals will have a similar implementations; while there may be common code in the portlet container part, the portal code including page aggregation, authentication, authorization, user management, administration, personalizatio code etc is different in all these portals. The WPS source code is not publicly available. Best regards, Thomas Thomas Schaeck Architect, WebSphere Portal Server IBM Pervasive Computing Division Phone: +49-(0)7031-16-3479 Mobile: +49-(0)171-6928407 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-(0)7031-16-4888 Address: IBM Deutschland Entwicklung GmbH, Schoenaicher Str. 220, 71032 Boeblingen, Germany David Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 12/27/2001 05:44:24 PM Please respond to "Jetspeed Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Jetspeed Users List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? For those parts of WPS that are based upon Jetspeed, where can I locate the source? Thanks for the info thus far, David Allen -----Original Message----- From: Scott A. Roehrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:11 AM To: Jetspeed Users List Subject: Re: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? David: There is a WPS newsgroup available from IBM. There is no associated mailing list. As for PMRs, in general these are the method for addressing defect issues with the product. Severity 1 PMRs have a short response time. Make sure you open them with the appropriate severity. Since WPS itself is not open source, the support structure for the product will be inline with corporate software support services, for both good and bad. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Thomas Schaeck '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Jetspeed Users List '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'Scott A. Roehrig '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: RE: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? > So Thomas and Scott-- > > Is there a list dedicated to the WPS product? I prefer the give and take of > a list rather than opening a PMR and praying someone gets back to me when I > have a question. > > As well, how do I provide feedback on bugs? For instance, the CSS bundled > with WPS Enable include inconsistent font sizes on tabledata and > shadedtabledata. Who gets that info? Jetspeed or IBM? > > Right now I have significant issues with the PortletServices and need to > know who I should be talking to about the problems... > > We are agressively moving forward with WPS and I want to make sure I have a > good lay of the land before I turn it over to my implementation teams. > > Thanks for any assistance, > > David Allen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Schaeck > To: Jetspeed Users List > Sent: 12/26/01 2:28 AM > Subject: Re: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? > > > > There was an old JetSpeed API and there's a newer Portlet API that was > modeled after the Servlet API, defining interfaces to isolate portlets > entirely from the portal server implementation classes. The WPS 1.2 > Portlet > API is based on the API under proposals/portletAPI with some > corrections/improvements that we had to make when really implementing > the > API. > > I think we are at an intermediate stage right now - ultimately, there > needs > to be a standard Portlet API that is common across all Portal Servers - > JetSpeed, WebSphere Portal Server and other J2EE based application > servers. > This will enable portlet providers to write portlets that run on all > portal > server platforms. > > The Portlet API is the important interface for interoperability while > the > portal implementations are where portals will differentiate themselves > from > others by providing different features depending on what requirements > they > consider important. WebSphere Portal Server for example must provide a > large amount of new functionality for the next release to satisfy the > requirements of a multitude of large customers, the same is probably > true > for the portal servers of the other portal server vendors. > > Best regards, > > Thomas > > Thomas Schaeck > Architect, WebSphere Portal Server > IBM Pervasive Computing Division > Phone: +49-(0)7031-16-3479 Mobile: +49-(0)171-6928407 e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-(0)7031-16-4888 > Address: IBM Deutschland Entwicklung GmbH, Schoenaicher Str. 220, 71032 > Boeblingen, Germany > > > "Frans Thamura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/26/2001 07:17:13 AM > > Please respond to "Jetspeed Users List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Jetspeed Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Subject: Re: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? > > > > This means the Jetspeed from IBM WPS is not Jetspeed API... right, > > I see in the web site there is several tag for PSML that is different.. > like <allowed> etc. > > Right??? > > Or this means WPS is a step a head rather that Jetspeed it self... > right... > if yes, this is a strange step, Xerces is faster than JAXP, that why > Crimson > is donated by Sun right??? > > Frans > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Schaeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jetspeed Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "'Scott A. Roehrig '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Jetspeed Users List > '" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 9:57 PM > Subject: RE: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? > > > > > > WebSphere Portal Server 1.2 already has the new Portlet API; JetSpeed > still > > has the old one since the plan was to first finish the 1.3 a 2 release > that > > has several other new features and then move to the new API. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Thomas > > > > Thomas Schaeck > > Portal Architect > > IBM Pervasive Computing Division > > Phone: +49-(0)7031-16-3479 Mobile: +49-(0)171-6928407 e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-(0)7031-16-4888 > > Address: IBM Deutschland Entwicklung GmbH, Schoenaicher Str. 220, > 71032 > > Boeblingen, Germany > > > > > > David Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 12/25/2001 01:23:36 AM > > > > Please respond to "Jetspeed Users List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "'Scott A. Roehrig '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Jetspeed Users > List > '" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > Subject: RE: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? > > > > > > > > Looking at the contents of the Jetspeed.jar which is in > > H:\PortalServer\app\web\WEB-INF\lib I find that there are numerous > classes > > in this jar not present in the 1.3a2 source distribution. > > > > Specifically I was looking for the implementation for > > FilePortletServiceRegistry in package > > org.apache.jetspeed.portletcontainer.services.portletserviceregistry. > > > > I found it in the jar as a class file, but it is not in the > > jetspeed-1.3a2-release-src source distribution. > > > > Any help would be appreciated... feels like I am finding my way in the > dark > > without knowing what version of Jetspeed I am working with. > > > > Thanks, > > > > David > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott A. Roehrig > > To: Jetspeed Users List > > Sent: 12/21/01 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? > > > > It is based off the 1.3a2 codebase, with IBM stuff as well. > > > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Jetspeed Users List (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:01 PM > > Subject: IBM WPS: What version of Jetspeed does it use? > > > > > > > For version 1.2 or 2.1? 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