can you direct us to your site so that I can preview it? -- haresh
-----Original Message----- From: Sara Camara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:48 AM To: 'Jetspeed Users List' Subject: RE: [opinion] Re: Jetspeed for professional sites; Is it ready We are using jetspeed in a production environment and it's working very well. I would agree that it wasnt easy in the very first beginning, I would say we have a salad team of java/jsp/velocity folks, but I would also say Jetspeed is great. Thanks jetspeed folks, you are great. Sara. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:03 PM To: 'Jetspeed Users List' Subject: RE: [opinion] Re: Jetspeed for professional sites; Is it ready Jetspeed is great stuff - good ideas, good implementations, good direction. And, as in all great projects, I am sure that great documentation will follow. BUT, currently the documentation is not sufficient to "hang your career" onto. This user's email list is a manner in which to learn some information about Jetspeed. But, the time you spend researching this information is prohibitive to a production environment. I started my project at the end of October 2001. I brought up the Unix server (loaded the operating system) and loaded the ASF tools and database. I researched the variety of ASF tools to best meet my customer's needs - a very difficult, convoluted, hard to comprehend set of overlapping composition of projects. Great stuff each, but difficult to derive a quick sense of direction. My customer happened to be Netscape 4.7 oriented - went ballistic when I mentioned the need to use 6.2 because of Jetspeed - which i did not know until far into the project. I had an agonizing less than three months of research into my customer's distributed data management web service applying Turbine, Velocity, Jetspeed and MySQL. Half was through January, the customer kicked my ass out. It had taken too long to produce results from their perspective. (I think they were slightly nuts - but, hey, it was their money (actually the taxpayers)) I had gotten most everything working with one major difficulty to overcome - could not save to the database (after consuming hours of study through the mail lists, I see that others had trashed their Object ID broker table - this was probably my case also) - not a Jetspeed issue, admittedly. The Jetspeed project/tool suite had consumed most of my time. For example, I found (not through documentation) in version 3.1 that default .pmsl was the place to produce your screen view. Then I had to change to version 3.2 because of a class loading problem I was having and that was the suggested fix. After loading the new version, I went again to the file, default.pmsl. I worked on it. I manipulated it. I beat myself to death trying to get my changes to have results. Finally, I found that the configuration files were pointing one directory (/en) deeper. There was a default.psml file in that directory and that was the one I should have been using - oh my, the hours that I had wasted. So, as you can see, my small opinion is that NO, using Jetspeed for a production environment is NOT a good idea. The documentation is just too minimal. I have probably stirred a bit of ire. And I must quickly agree that these are open source projects - contributions made by individuals and organizations. I need to contribute not complain. But, that does not change the fact that while contributing, I would not be completing my customer's short sighted - short suspense requirements. I hope to contribute - test, study, and document these open source projects - it will surely be a project to the future - not the one from which I am still scambling to find all of my body parts that my customer whacked off while I was attempting to use un-documented software. (And, I was so very very close to a working model, but the bell tolled...) good luck to all, Ray ---------- From: Brendan O'Bra[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Jetspeed Users List Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:39 PM To: Jetspeed Users List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [opinion] Re: Jetspeed for professional sites; Is it ready Ok... I'll jump in from deep lurker mode to "defend" jetspeed, as it has served me well thus far... I use jetspeed on my website (I'm an ISP). We are 100% open source, linux, tomcat, jetspeed. http://www.pvbb.net So far, jetspeed has been very flexible and we are happy with it. I will say that the fact that I am a java developer has made it easy to work with. >>Brendan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haresh Gujarathi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jetspeed Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: RE: [opinion] Re: Jetspeed for professional sites; Is it ready > Hi Todd, > > Its a assuring sign that people like you are devoted to the open source > momentum. > > But I will say u are not getting my point. > > This discussion is not to criticize the Jetspeed development. But is to find > out if > a. the Jetspeed can really be used in the production environment > b. it has sufficient basic features to be spent time and effort by companies > like mine to deploy business sites for clients. > > Look we do not have time and resources to do experiment ourselves and later > figure out that the product is too immature. > That is why I sent out the mail to ask people if they have deployed some > sensible sites on net. > > I do not understand what portal you are running... When I checked back your > another posting, > I suppose you must be referring to http://portal.wisernet.com and > http://portal.wiserlabz.com > I do not see why these sites are great; I just do not see any content. I do > not see any channels into it. They are totally useless as example to assure > community that there are some meaningful sites using Jetspeed. > > Except for http://qld.ieaust.org.au/jetspeed I have not seen any meaningful > deployment of jetspeed. > That is why I have doubts about its readiness for the business "as of > today". I am sure it will be ready tomorrow. > > I hope my reading to be wrong. Because if Jetspeed can be meaningfully used > today, I would like to use it for my clients web sites. So please correct me > if anybody things that way. > > regards, > > Haresh > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: todd tredeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:55 AM > To: Jetspeed Users List > Subject: [opinion] Re: Jetspeed for professional sites; Is it ready > > > I guess you guys miss the point... I think discussion is great, as long > as the purpose if for moving the product forward, adding needed input... > There is lots of great software out there. There are lots of great > programmers from many countries with different perspectives. > > 1. You can suggest what you need (and can't write) > 2. You can suggest / show what other people are doing and have done. > 3. You can contribute, to improve the product, make suggestions, etc. > > Jetspeed, is in reality truly what is great about the #1 Web Server in > the business, the combined minds of thousands (sometimes just dozens or > fewer) very hard working dedicated people. Open Source Software works... > > Sometimes our thoughts are poor, disorganized (mine are) but here is > what I see (as a non programmer) that I MUST have for a 100% go... Keep > in mind, Jetspeed is a great idea, and it is a "work in progress", not a > debate.. > > I would like to see the following aspects addressed in Jetspeed, and am > willing to spend the time with willing programmers to get there.. are you? > > Configuration Routine (usually you have to write this last) as the > program changes to much and > too fast... along these lines I have great ideas.. > > Adding Content "portlets" at will...including; > date content starts > date content stops > content creation (There are a number of nice xml publishing > packages out there, either write one or make a jetspeed modified version > of one) End Users can't do it. > > Calander, ya that would be cool, but.... how about somethiing really > cool, voting, yes, but again, I would like to take it a few steps > further.. who is up to the challenge? > > To demonstrate my committment to this project I run 2 portals 24 x > 7, and work very hard to promote "good" software of all types. > > Lets have fun > > todd > waiting to work with programmers > > Frans Thamura wrote: > > >No, i think i will use jetspeed in seriously, but, sad man, all the source > >is not documented well, and a lot of big question and little bit crowded.. > > > >There is a software eBdesk.com create by someone in my country, it is > >popular enough.. here...but they approach for corporate portal.. > > > >my solution is for executive information system.. > > > >sorry, i will prepare to put my sample work in the net, but still get a lot > >of BIG QUESTION... > > > >so, if you want to try implement Jetspeed, prepare for the hurt oke.. > > > >Frans > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Haresh Gujarathi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Jetspeed Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:31 PM > >Subject: RE: Jetspeed for professional sites; Is it ready? > > > > > >>Hi Frans, > >> > >>1. Can I see on net some of your sites using jetspeed? > >>2. Now that you are aware of the issues in implementing a portal for > >>companies, have you found any other alternative? > >>(cheaper preferrably) ? > >> > >>-- haresh > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Frans Thamura [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:44 PM > >>To: Jetspeed Users List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: Re: Jetspeed for professional sites; Is it ready? > >> > >> > >>Hi haresh, > >> > >>>1. How is Jetspeed for deploying a serious business site (if not mission > >>>critical one ?) > >>> > >>I think for basic personalization is oke, but for multi tab or folder, i > >>think you will got the difficulty, esp for desigining the complex > >>portlet/psml > >> > >>i try to implement this in several company, yah we got a performance > >>problem, slow... > >> > >>I create a business intelligence system based on Jetspeed, called cockpit > >>system , it is a balance scorecard system.. > >> > >>>2. Are there any sites built using Jetspeed ? (other than the ones > >>> > >>specified > >> > >>>on the Jetspeed home page) > >>> > >>see in the reference of jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed > >> > >>>3. Has anyone implemented > >>> > >>>chat, discussion forums, polls, as portlets? (etc required to build a > >>>portal...) > >>> > >>I try poll, but forum, get difficulty to implement this.. integration > >> > >single > > > >>login problem > >> > >>>4. How to provide roll based access to the sub sections of the Jetspeed > >>>sites? > >>>For example, If I want to assign 4 different administrators to 4 > >>> > >different > > > >>>sections of a community portal (children, young_minds, adults, senior > >>>citizens), so that those 4 people are responsible for managing the > >>> > >content > > > >>>published in the corresponding sections. > >>> > >>>Basically this is a content management system facility... which I think > >>> > >>can > >> > >>>be an integral part of the Portal system > >>> > >>>Is anybody working on such (Admin) portlet? > >>> > >>yah you can try it with admin/jetspeed user > >> > >>but, there is a role tag in xreg. if you implement it you will see the > >> > >role > > > >>based portlet. > >> > >>i create several roles in my jetspeed environment, this is a business > >>intelligence system, and work well.. even you must find a trick to > >> > >implement > > > >>this.. > >> > >> > >>have a nice try.. > >> > >>Frans > >> > >>>regards > >>> > >>>Haresh > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? > >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >>-- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > >><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > >> > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
