I think it is unreasonable to say "Because the suits don't work immediately, they aren't worth the effort." It's like saying I'm going to go ahead and litter the beach because I'm just one person and no one else cares. I also would say about technology that we do have the right to equality in software/gadgets, etc. It has improved; it really has. In the past the stuff we ended up with was throw offs from the makers of machines as they developed new equipment. We have always been playing catch up. People have lost jobs over these issues; people have been in line for promotions that they did not get because of inaccessibility. So I do think we have every right/need to shout our demands loudly and clearly. I know a guy now who was trying to get a promotion; the company really wanted to give it to him. So far the only thing that has held it back is inaccessibility. Cindy Lou Ray
-----Original Message----- From: Angel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? How effective are suits? We still don't have tactile currency. We spent lots of money, most blind people can well not afford to cause the treasury to make the currency tactily accessible. It isn't yet accessible. So, if suits are to take place. How long will it take for the positive effects to occur. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:34 AM Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? Well, of course the NFB picketed Amazon over Kindle's issues, and some of that effort led to accessibility in the iPhone App, which isn't enough. I don't doubt that this day might come sometime, but money and time are required. That investment was good with regard to Target, and maybe one day the same can be said of Amazon. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: Maria Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 10:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? The only way might be for the NFB to sue, as they did Target. On 1/6/2016 10:23 AM, Gerald Levy wrote: > > And suppose an online seller like Amazon does not offer an accessible > alternative to image captcha? Is Jeff Bezos going to be prosecuted? > Of course not. So major online sellers can simply disregard legal > agreements with almost total impunity and get away with it because > they are essentially weak and unenforceable. > > Gerald > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? > > Actually, I've read some legal agreements involving online sellers > that address the CAPTCHA issue and require an accessible alternative > in the event the company insists on retaining CAPTCHA. I wish I could > go into more detail, but the agreements with which I'm familiar are > confidential. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald Levy [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? > > > And the reason this situation exists in the first place is that the > blindness advocacy groups which are supposed to look out for our best > interests have shown absolutely no willingness to challenge online > sellers who insist on confronting their customers, blind and sighted > alike, with image captchas whose value at thwarting hackers is dubious > at best. > > Gerald > > > > -----Original Message----- From: judith bron > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? > > And the only people excluded from making the statement they're human > by identifying a captia are the blind. Sounds like a totally messed > up system but we're still captive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cindy Ray [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:42 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? > > No, it isn't proof enough maybe, but it is one of the stones to barriers. > There is no such thing as 100% safe. > Cindy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: judith bron [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? > > I have been following this thread and still the question I have about > captias for ages is still not answered. We have criminal minds who > spend their time messing up people's lives by hacking their > information via their on line accounts and stealing their identity. > We have folks who steal people's address books and try to extort money > from their family and friends. We are supposed to recognize an image > so we can prove we're human and not robots. What can someone sitting > on the other end of a computer in srilanka know about my status as a > human being if I can tell him what some captia reads? If they would > create the captias so we could read them back character by character > problem solved, but that isn't proof enough that we're not devious. > Judith > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kane Brolin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What is the issue with Captchas? > > It will be a while before CAPTCHAs are stopped. This might happen, > once compatibility with mobile browsing becomes a universal standard. > But the provider of online info related to my Visa card, for example, > requires me to verify a CAPTCHA every time I sign in. Not just to > change account settings or to do some other specialized or sensitive > task--just to log in to check my points! > > The muddy/hard-to-understand nature of the audio CAPTCHA is the whole > point. > They want something that requires subjective, human perception to > understand--not just a clear voice-print that dictation software could > translate automatically into text in the way that Grasshopper does > with a voicemail message. > > -Kane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sunny Day Maria Campbell [email protected] Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to [email protected] Archives located at: http://www.groups.io/g/jfw/threads Alternative archives located at: http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html If you have any concerns about the list, posts received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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