On Tuesday 18 May 2004 17:33, Miguel wrote:
> > It would seem that displaying thermal ellipsoids should be relatively
> > easy- the information is already in the file- have a look at
> >
> >     http://www.chem.gla.ac.uk/~louis/software/ortep3/
> >
> > for an example.
>
> I see the picture with ellipsoids instead of spheres.
> Those shapes look familiar ... it now seems to me that perhaps someone
> asked about this last year.

Miguel, we spoke about that about a year ago :)

> Q: In 25 words or less, what do the ellipsoids represent?

The anisotropic temperature factors...

> Q: How is the orientation determined?
>
> Q: Are the ellipsoids in a constant orientation relative to the molecule,
> or do the move/vibrate/animate?

Crystals are constant.

> Rendering ellipsoids would be much slower than rendering spheres.
>
> Q: Do you want to do this with macromolecules, or just little ones ...
> say, less than 500 atoms?

Macro with spheric atoms is already quite unusefull :) But maybe people who 
zoom in on some fraction of the macromolecule? Then ortep might be usefull...

> > It might also be possible to display the symmetry elements- perhaps by
> > reading the symmetry information from the file, constructing the "extra"
> > atoms and maybe making them into a special selection that can be toggled
> > on/off?
>
> Are you saying that you want to replicate the unitcell?
>
> There was some serious discussion on this topic a few months ago. But at
> this point I would say that this will *not* make it into Jmol v10. So I
> don't think any work would start on this until late 2004 (at the
> earliest).

Agreed.

> > I am not a crystallographer-
>
> I'm not even a chemist :-)
>
> > are there many crystallographers using
> > Jmol? Are there plans to implement these features?
>
> I think that there are a growing number of crystallographers using Jmol
> ... but not sure how many.
>
> Egon, the other principal Jmol developer, is a crystallographer.

Well, somewhere in between a chemist and a crystallographer... and then also 
part-time :)

Egon


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