----- Original Message -----
From: "E.L. Willighagen (Egon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:15 pm

> > > Phillip Barak of the University of Wisconsin USA recently sent me
> > > a link
> > > that shows some excellent web pages with inorganic molecules. You
> > > shouldtake a look at them:
> > >  http://www.soils.wisc.edu/virtual_museum/
> >
> > Just to jump in here about our use of pdb files for the minerals 
> on our
> > site:
> >
> > Using pdb was not our first choice. We would have prefered CIF 
> format,> files with the barest minimum of spatial information, 
> since symmetry
> > operators allow 'tiling' out in any direction per user 
> parameters, but that
> > was not to be with Chime. 
> 
> Jmol v8 has very limited support for PDB files... it reads only 
> the atomic 
> coordinates and the unit cell parameters, and symmetry operations 
> are not yet 
> supported... I am not sure what you mean with tiling, but what 
> would the CIF 
> file that would define the 'tiling' look like?

A CIF file for struvite would (minimally) look like:

data_struvite
_chemical_name_systematic                           
; magnesium ammonium phosphate hexahydrate
;

_cell_length_a 6.955
_cell_length_b 6.142
_cell_length_c 11.218
_cell_angle_alpha 90
_cell_angle_beta 90
_cell_angle_gamma 90

_symmetry_space_group_name_H-M 'P mn2(1)'

loop_
_atom_site_label  
_atom_site_fract_x 
 _atom_site_fract_y  
_atom_site_fract_z
P 0.0000 0.9931 0.0019 
O  0.0000  0.9764  0.8649
O  0.0000  0.7618  0.0558 
O  0.1823  0.1139  0.0436
Mg 0.0000  0.3766  0.3741
O  0.0000  0.6829  0.2878
H  0.0000  0.7192  0.2017
H  0.0000  0.8174  0.3299
O  0.0000  0.0768  0.4664
H  0.1157  0.0070  0.4999
O  0.2115  0.4852  0.4874
H  0.1989  0.2007  0.1824
H  0.3169  0.1702  0.3020
O  0.2179  0.2618  0.2643
H  0.3200  0.3904  0.5120 
H  0.2511  0.6354  0.5027 
N  0.0000  0.3657  0.7351
H  0.0000  0.2186  0.7832 
H  0.0000  0.3311  0.6473
H  0.1148  0.4557  0.7535

Full description of file format at http://www.iucr.ac.uk/iucr-top/cif/ .

Anyway, with the designated spacegroup 'P mn2(1)', the symmetry operations are (a 
simple case):
1   x,y,z 
2   -x+1/2,-y,z+1/2 
3   x+1/2,-y,z+1/2 
4   -x,y,z 

On the basis of this information, a viewer should be able to designate a single unit 
cell or any number of cells to be drawn in the a b c directions, as specified by the 
user.
 



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