hi Miguel,

at 12:31 pm EDT on (Thursday) 20 November 2003 Miguel said:

> Folks,
> 
> Forgive me in advance, but ask some questions and blow off a little
> steam .... I am feeling somewhat frustrated ... certainly not at anyone
> in particular, but just in general.
> 
> I frankly do not understand how 'alternate locations' could be that
> important.
> 
> Why wasn't it in earlier versons of RasMol?
> 
> Does it exist in Chime? ... I seriously doubt it.
> 
> Why is it that yesterday is the first time I have ever heard of such a
> thing?
> 
there are so many powerful features to be incorporated, and this project
is very exciting.

frankly, this is the first time I have been able to speak to mol vis
software developers and hear rationale and thoughtful things back.  any
intensity on my part is due to pure enthusiasm.

your stated short-term goal is compatibility with the basic Chime and
RasMol functionality.  in this context, after reading your bug report, I
believe you filed it appropriately.  I apologize for responding on the
list without having read your report closely.


in my opinion...

> Is it more important than
>  - CONECT record support?
no.

>  - ssbond stuff?
no.

>  - nucleotide base stuff?
no.

>  - hydrogen bond stuff?
no.

>  - multiple models?
parity.

>  - animations?
yes.

>  - ...
support for script access to other atom primitives?  no.



> Listen, I really want and *need* input from the user community ...
> - I have taken Jmol-as-Chime-replacement about as far as I can on my own
>
part of the 'problem' is that there is a lot of cool stuff that Chime can
*not* do (like alternate conformations, as far as I know).  I get carried
away sometimes; others may as well. ;-)  I will make a huge effort to
restrain my comments until the 'replacement' chores are wrapping up.


> - there is no product specification
>    (the things that are completed are the things that I could
>     understand in the RasMol v2.6 documentation)
>
LOL.  I hear you.  one of the biggest features of JMol would be a tech
spec describing its command language.  there are incomplete and incorrect
docs at various places - openrasmol.org, umass.edu/rasmol, and
mdlchime.com.  generally I look at these, then end up working under
trial-and-error.  it sucks.  but I understand that producing a tech doc
like this is a thankless task and unexciting, I'm sure.


> - there is no product manager
> - I am not a chemist
>
I am a biochemist with some affinity for chemistry (I completed a masters
degree in a chemistry lab on a biochemistry project).  I will help in any
way I can.  there are bound to be differences in opinion on what
constitutes a 'must-have'feature and what can wait a while.


> - I am not familiar with the application space
> - I have never written a Chime script
>
then you haven't really lived.  ;-)


> - nobody is paying me any money
> - I am doing this for fun :-)
>
I hope it still is!  I just got here...


> - I would *love* to have someone maintain the priority list for me
> 
I will be happy to volunteer, based on my own experience and feedback from
the user and developer communities.



> I will do my best to try to keep making forward progress.
> 
progress has been remarkable in my opinion.  keep up the excellent work!

regards,

:tim

-- 
timothy driscoll
molvisions - molecular graphics & visualization
<http://www.molvisions.com/>
usa:north carolina:wake forest


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