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On Wednesday 18 February 2004 16:31, Jan Reichert wrote:
> Miguel Howard schrieb:
> >We have been making good progress on support for unit cell rendering and
> >representation.
>
> I missed the command documentation.
> How do I get from the asymmetric unit in the PDB file to the unit-cell-s?
>
> build symmetry
>    built crystallographic symmetry as defined in CRYST1 for the whole
> "molecule"= PDB file
> build selected symmetry

Jan, 
we have not addressed to point yet getting from a asymmetric unit cell to a 
full P1 unit cell... that will be addressed shortly (say three/four weeks)... 
this requires to set up a table defining all operations for each symmetry 
group... I've done this for P212121 in the past, but a comprehensive set 
takes some time... 
Miguel and I only addressed translation symmetry for now, so please use P1 
symmetry for now... is that ok?

> the same but only for selection
>
> build selected (29.6 46.8 57.6) (90 90 90) P212121   explicit define
> unit cell length and angel and space group
> build selected (29.6 46.8 57.6) (90 90 90) P212121 "-x,1/2+y,1/2-z"
>       which of the transformations

Ok, that's easy to implement. Since coordinates are stored internally as 
fractional coordinates, we can simply overwrite to notional unit cell 
parameters...

> build selected [-1 0 0 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 1 0 ]               any matrix
>
> ?

That's the vector based assignment of the unit axes vectors, all three of them 
starting in the origin... or does this refer to making a box?

> >Egon and I are starting to think about the multiple-cell construction of
> >larger crystals. These would be created by translating the unit cell (with
> >the atoms) to new positions.
> >
> >We have a terminology problem. We need a 'name' for this larger crystal.
> >And a name that distinguishes it from the 'singleton unit cell'
>
> crystal
>
> >Egon says that sybyl uses the term 'unit cell box' to describe this this.
>
> I think they call this simply box

Miguel, let's stick to unit cell box, box in shorts (hehehe, try pronouce this 
fast :) then...

> Expand Unit Cells to Fill Box
>
> CRYSIN mol_area EXPAND atom_expr xmin xmax ymin ymax zmin zmax inter_group
> [low high]

Right, we came along that syntax earlier today... Sybyl right?

> >He found several other references to other (less well known) programs that
> >use the term 'supercell'
> >
> >Q: Are there other terms that are used?
> >
> >Personally, I like 'unitcell' and 'supercell'
>
> crystal

Mmm... crystal is what's on the table... what we view is just a representation 
of the crystal having a finite size of, say, 1mm x 1mm x 3mm...

> >But I could also go with 'singleton unit cell' and 'multi unit cell'
> >
> >Q: What do people think?

Ok, unit cell/crystal and unit cell box/box ?

Egon

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