On 19-10-2006 9:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> disregarding the underscore is no problem. It is just extraneous, right?
>   
Bob,

Not so much disregard as simply transform it to a space.
> also, Jmol should ignore this name and simply read the symmetry operator
> information in those files. No?
>   
If the explicit operators are present they should take precedence. I 
think the order should be:

1) operators

2) Hall symbol

3) H-M symbol, space group number

with no effort to reconcile disagreements.
>   
>> Unfortunately CIFs produced with Crystallographica
>> http://www.crystallographica.co.uk/ appear to have optional underscores in
>> the Hall symbol which cause 10.9.80 to fail silently eg:
>>
>> _symmetry_space_group_name_Hall '-P_2'
>>
>> This underscore is equivalent to a space according to the CIF spec:
>> http://www.iucr.org/iucr-top/cif/.checking/symmetry_checklist.html
>> and is only needed if the symbol is not enclosed in quotes.
>>
>> In general, if the Hall space group symbol is not recognised perhaps Jmol
>> should fall back on the H-M symbol. And if explicit operators are given
>> these should be preferred.
>>     

Alan,

What does vcif say about these files?

Rich

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