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Hi, 

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Von: "Robert Hanson" < [email protected] > 
An: [email protected] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. November 2010 19:02:53 
Betreff: Re: [Jmol-users] obj surface files exported from pymol 


> Alexander, 
> 
> Glad to hear it is that simple. I do think you should report it as a 
> bug to PyMol, that they are outputting surface data that depends upon 
> model rotation. Does it also depend upon zoom?? That seems rather 
> inappropriate to me. 


It depends on rotation, but not on zoom - would be funny though. I filed a bug 
report, but got no answer yet. 

> in Jmol, the following gets you there: 
> 
> load xxxx.pdb 
> isosurface OBJ xxxxx.obj offset @{ {*}.xyz } 

nice and works it also after loading 
isosurface ID "foo" OFFSET { 1 1 1 } 
that was possible all along, right? but not documented 


> That is, move the isosurface to the protein, not the protein to the 
> isosurface. 
> 
> It should be interesting for you to compare PyMOL's surfaces to 
> Jmol's. I don't think that's ever been done. From what I can see, the 
> closest to that in Jmol would be 
> 
> isosurface select {protein} ignore {not protein} molecular 
> 
> that is, a surface at the van der waals radius that is a rounded out 
> form of 
> 
> isosurface select {protein} ignore {not protein} sasurface 0 
> 
> But they aren't exactly that, either, so perhaps PyMOL is adding 
> hydrogen atoms first, then doing the calculation? 

no, definitely not 


> I have no idea how PyMOL creates the troughs for the molecular 
> surfaces. Anyway, it's not a typical solvent-accessible surface, which 
> would be considerably larger. 

I did not thought much about it when I named my file with 'sas' for 
solvent-accessible surface, sorry for the confusion 


> What's the PyMOL command that gives this? 
> I guess you showed me the PyMOL command -- show surface. 
> 
> http://www.pymolwiki.org/index.php/Surface says that's the Connolly surface. 
> I don't believe it, though. It's too rounded. It must be a molecular surface 
> with troughs. 
> Actually, I think the troughs are a bit better than Jmol's. Jmol's are a bit 
> deep. 

you guessed right, it's 

PyMOL> show surface 
with the default solvent radius of 1.4 A 

it looks to me like the solvent-excluded surface ( = Connolly surface ???) 


PyMOL> set surface_solvent, 1 
PyMOL> set solvent_radius, 1.4 

this is the solvent-accessible surface 


I'll look some more into it when I have time and report back. 


Alex 

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