Seems to me that you can expect the relationship you have built with your employer to continue into your resignation and notice period. If your relationship is based on trust and mutual respect, you are unlikely to be dumped out. Rarely have I seen technical people dumped after giving notice, unless they were already about to be let go or had other similar problems. If you are with a larger company, my comments are mitigated by company policy and custom. My take is if you have a question, you should protect your 401k by giving notice after it vests. In almost all cases you can negotiate your start date to accommodate protecting the 401k vesting and giving adequate notice. Remember, how you leave a company is your lasting impression. It is just as important as giving a good first impression and it helps to cement good references. Also remember that behind the scenes references (ones you don't give) are more powerful than the references you provide in the future. _____________________________ Larson J. Rider Technical Staffing Manager
________________________________ From: Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:40 AM To: L-Perl-Jobs-Discuss Subject: RE: Is it fair for an employer to expect 2 weeks notice of an employee? I used to advocate employees providing 2+ weeks notice. It seemed like the right thing to do, especially if the employee's skills were specialized. But lately I've observed employers cutting employees immediately upon receiving employees' notice. It seems to either be some "you can't quit on us. We're going to fire you first!" type deal, or in the case of one of my friends, it was for "security reasons" (apparently an employee that turns in notice may try to damage the IT systems before he/she leaves the company). Sometimes it's a more ambivalent, but still financially painful for the employee, "eh, just don't come back after today" from the employer. Providing 2+ weeks notice is still generally good for employees to do so, as sometimes that's required for re-employment eligibility with the employer (or even with the recruiter, based on what Ian seems to be saying). Myself, I plan on leaving one of my positions around the 5th of next year. I would like to give two weeks notice, but if my employer does what many of my friends' employers have been doing, that means I may be out of a job earlier than I would anticipate. Worse yet, my 401(k) wouldn't vest if I was cut by the company before the 1st. I would like to think that my employer would let me serve out my two weeks, but I sure wouldn't count on it or risk my 401(k) not vesting because of it. -Mike ________________________________ From: Ian Tynan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:48 AM To: Terrence Brannon; L-Perl-Jobs-Discuss Subject: RE: Is it fair for an employer to expect 2 weeks notice of an employee? I understand your point of view and it is unfair. However, it would not be a good ideal to tarnish YOUR reputation by not giving 2 weeks notice, it's better to not work for that client again. In time, clients will notice they are not getting good people because of they way they treat consultants and they will be forced to change. While people still go and work for these clients, the clients will continue this behavior. By a consultant not giving notice, then that would work against the consultant's reputation NOT the client. My advice would be to be selective and work for the "good" clients and keep a good reputation. If there at the time you have no option but to join this type of client then I would accept the fact that this may happen but still keep your professionalism and dignity in place by keeping to your word. Unfortunately we can not control the actions of others, but we can control our own actions. As a recruiter with a client behaves like that, I will not support them as I think that is unprofessional, also if someone wouldn't provide 2 weeks notice to me, I would not represent them again. Basically, chose carefully who you work with, stay professional and the people with the best reputations will find work again. It's the client who will miss out, not the consultant. Ian I am always looking to build new relationships with Managers and IT consultants, so if you would like to help others, referrals are always appreciated and bonuses provided. Kindest Regards, Ian Tynan Sr. IT Account Manager since 1995 Pinpoint Resource Group - IT Contract Divison (o) 310-356-8123 x111 (f) 310-868-0663 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Check out my profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/iantynan ________________________________ From: Terrence Brannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:38 AM To: L-Perl-Jobs-Discuss Subject: Is it fair for an employer to expect 2 weeks notice of an employee? I am watching people get cut without notice right at Christmas time and can only imagine the devestation this is causing them, emotionally and financially. Not to mention occupationally. Why is it fair for an employer to expect 2 weeks notice from an employee as well as expect a smooth transfer of knowledge, when all they do is throw people out the door with no warning? It seems the best course of action for employees is to protest this inequity by leaving without notice and no knowledge transfer until employers get the point that they have no right wrecking people's lives without notice. In fact, one would think that the fair employment commission of some state would have some laws in place about the violent and abrupt termination of employees in good standing. <http://650944.sigclick.mailinfo.com/sigclick/03070309/05064E00/0C06024C /0315230122.jpg>
