I'm not saying that non NY developers don't have a place here, i'm pretty new to the board, and am in no position to say whether or not they do or not, i'm just wondering if someone else here who has been around a while longer does know what the official (or emergent) position is.
Just curious! On Aug 9, 2008, at 8:48 PM, Sean Fulton wrote:
As an employer, i appreciate availability posts and *always* check the person out, whether we need help at the moment or not.I hope that freelancers will continue to post their availability on this list. That's why I am concerned about anything that might inhibit someone from posting for fear of being publicly criticized.It's hard to find good people! Let them post and I will make my own decisions.sean -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Dikan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Donna Marie Vincent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: jobs@lists.nyphp.org Sent: 8/9/2008 7:57 PMSubject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrsofexp & good client referencesThis has all been an interesting discussion, i think Ben has a lot of cheers because we have all in some way or another had to feel the pain of cleaning up someone else's code mess, be it foreign-built or otherwise. I think the point that it wasn't the place do so might have some merit, but one point i haven't heard mentioned is whether or not the NY PHP board is really the place for Sundar or any other non- NY php developer to post about his services and expect non-reproachful responses when he does so. What are the NY PHP list moderator's positions on that? -Mike On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Donna Marie Vincent wrote:Some people don't see anything unless and until it's happening to them. If it doesn't have a negative impact on *you*, then I guess everything is fine. ----- Original Message ---- From: RDP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Donna Marie Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; jobs@lists.nyphp.org Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:32:37 PM Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrsofexp & good client references Oh please Donna, the drama!! I didn't see any cruelty in Ben's observation. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Marie Vincent To: jobs@lists.nyphp.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrsofexp & good client references This is cruel and inappropriate. It's more about killing off your competition to build yourself up than it is about providing helpful information. Barbaric is another word that comes to mind. ----- Original Message ---- From: RDP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andrew Wint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: jobs@lists.nyphp.org Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 12:41:27 PM Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs ofexp & good client references I agree with Ben! Yay Ben! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Fulton To: Andrew Wint Cc: RDP ; jobs@lists.nyphp.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs ofexp & good client references I disagree. This wasn't a former employer complaining about a consultant's work, this was another consultant, a competitor if you will, stating as fact something that no one can possibly double- check. I think it's unfair, and am surprised that, on a list dedicated to helping consultants find jobs, you folks would not be more concerned about it. I think this is the first time I have seen someone in a public forum accuse someone of something and not be called to provide proof of their claims. Very puzzling. No one knows what the job requirements were, what the client's expectations were, or what the budget was. Did the client provide enough time and budget to have the job done right, or did they just say, "Get it done for next to nothing," and then when they realized the short-sidedness of their approach, hire Ben to clean up the mess rather than go back to the developer they low-balled and admit that they didn't give him enough time and $$ to do the job correctly. We don't know. Ben won't even tell the list who the client was or produce evidence of the inferior work. So to my mind, this whole thread is quite unfair to the developer who originally posted his availability and should be dropped. Finally, as you read this, please keep in mind that we are a company that employs people on this list, that's why I subscribe. I have employed developers here in the US and in six other countries. I find *no* geo-political differences in coding skills. We evaluate developers based on samples, client references and their ability to follow directions. I have had more than a few developers who are so focused on developing "great code" that they completely ignore the project specs, budget and time-lines. Those people don't last long, but people who follow directions do. Again, without knowing the original assignment that Sundar was given and what went on between he and the client at that time, facts which I doubt even Ben knows, we really can't draw any useful conclusions nor should we try. Just my $.02. sean Andrew Wint wrote:All he did was to provide transparency, now we are discussing the issues. Kristina gave very valid points about the 'delivery of crappy code' and not being able to take action because they are in another country. Another point is that this why we have standards of development practices, these standards shouldn't be compromised they can bend a bit but not break. Sundar needs to seek them out and adhere to them. I know it may seem harsh but it may help Sundar down the line in his growth. As well as protect a small struggling company, thinking they are saving money but falling into a trap. Ben did a good thing. On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:50 AM, RDP wrote:I'm sorry Donna, but I disagree. It's perfectly fine to express a view about someone's work. Of course we make errors in our code, everybody does. But you can't evaluate experience without examining ones work. And employers DO give out this information. Especially if an individual was let go because of inability. Finally, I'm having a problem imagining rows of unemployed PHP coders down and out on skid-row in cardboard boxes, homeless, because their work was criticized. Bye, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Marie Vincent To: jobs@lists.nyphp.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs ofexp & good client references It's not only unethical to publicly disparage an individual's ability to perform a job, you could be subject to legal action. Have you ever made an error while performing your job duties? Even a former employer would not give out this type of information. Do you want to be responsible for someone not getting work, and ending up homeless on the street, because of your personal opinion about their work, which may or may not be valid? This is not the same as publicly criticizing a particular product, or a company's business practice. --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ben Sgro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Ben Sgro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nyphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs of exp & good client references To: Cc: jobs@lists.nyphp.org Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:17 AM Hey, I audited a site this guy built - it was full of holes - SQL injection, XSS, default passwords on CMS admin accounts, etc. Also, the code was PHP4 w/HTML sprinkled all over it, cut and paste, no functions. No layouts, templates or smarty. Basically, impossible and very time consuming to make updates. Be sure to request some source before you work with him. - Ben sundar rajan wrote:Hi,I'm a Freelance Telecommuting PHP/MySQL Programmer with about 5+yrsof experience in building web applications . Following are the type of small / contract jobs that I take: /Creating Custom scripts Member signup with email verification & login with sessionauthenticationDynamic PDF File generation from the database information usingFPDFlibrariesCommand line processing of PHP scripts Installing CAPTCHA security code for the forms Google Maps <http://maps.google.com/> API to display a locationwithpop-upinfoXML parsing to database CSV parsing to database RSS feeds using Carp Handling File uploads Generating statistics reports from the database values Generating Graphical reports from the database values Generating Excel download from the databasevaluesWorking with complex queries in Mysql console Building application with SEO friendly URLs Installing MySQL , Apache , PHP , SVN , AWStats & software apps in linux boxes / I can also take up bigger projects with properspecification documentsalong with the UI/HTML prototypes. Checkout my online portfolio at http://www.sundarrajan.com <http://www.sundarrajan.com/> to know more about my skill-set , experiences , projects aswell as client references.As a verified premier paypal member since 2005 with over 70sellerreputation , I can accept paypal / credit card payments. Please do contact me for further details , if you have any jobs. -- With regards, Sundar Phone: (+1) 510.455.4387------------------------------------------------------------------------_______________________________________________ New York PHPCommunity Jobs Mailing Listhttp://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php_______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php_______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php-- Sean Fulton GCN Publishing, Inc. 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