I agree with you that we should look forward to see what is coming in next versions of 
J2EE. But shouldn't we first look at _current_ spec? There are lots of things in J2EE 
1.2/1.3 (even in EJB 2.0) that JOnAS is miles away from (Where is the new CMP model? 
Where is security services? Where is container interoperability? etc.). Before we 
discuss, what could be in J2EE 1.4 (e. g., what does this relate to an 
EJB-container-only-product?) we should discuss how to implement the _current_ spec. 
After that, we should discuss on a higher level: Is JOnAS really only an EJB 
container, or will it tend to become a complete server product that is greater than 
J2EE (since SOAP is not mandatory in neither J2EE 1.2 nor 1.3, but only an option that 
COULD come in the next release, that, if we are honest, does not appear before the 
next twelve months). So the question is: quo vadis, JOnAS? I mean, what sense does it 
make to implement SOAP ontop of JOnAS if JOnAS is currently not able to do all !
what EJB 2.0 tells? At 
ent, JOnAS is a horizontal layer in the J2EE architecture, with SOAP ontop, it will 
become a totally specialized product. If we plan to make JOnAS a _complete_ server 
product, including top-level protocols like SOAP or HTTPS, we should make a good plan 
how to implement this.

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> True, JOnAS is an EJB container only; however, there are parts to JOnAS
> that are not part of the J2EE specification, such as the introduction of
> JMX for application management.
> 
> The thought was to incorportate JAXM, JSR-67, into JOnAS.  From the JAXM
> v0.94 spec section 2.4, "JAXM applications may be deployed in Servlet
> 2.2 and/or J2EE 1.3 containers.  It is anticipated that future version
> of the J2EE specification will include JAXM-specific deployment
> information."
> 
> From the J2EE 1.3 specification, section 11.1, "Support for web services
> is likely to be a primary focus for the next version of J2EE."  This
> includes JSR-67.
> 
> If development thinks that JAXM and web services should remain on the
> web tier, then I'll withdraw the suggestion.
> 
> Jim Shain
> Sr. Architect
> ALLTEL Information Services
> 
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> But what sense does this make? JOnAS is an EJB container only, not a
> complete server product. Or is the project target changed and JOnAS aim
> is now to build a complete server product?
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