Please let me clarify to you Lieve.... my comment to leave Kakki the feck alone was not meant for you and you alone. I reacted to many, many incidents of posts which flew Kakki's way. I was and continue to stand up for my sister who I feel has taken way more than her share of flack for stating her feelings.
On many occasions, she has stated clearly that she feels that LA is still very much under threat . I am afraid for and with her. I can understand why Kakki is finding this whole situation very traumatic, and therefore she deserves to be able to speak and not be attacked again and again for every minute detail of her well articulated, thought out posts. (and yes many of us are traumatized by this terrible event) . Which is probably why Im writing to this again. Please understand the incredible stress and duress this has caused and has made its way deep inside souls including mine. Mags, who promises that this will be the last post on this matter. Thank you. np: The Hissing of Summer Lawns. ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Victor, > just a very quick reply. I genuinely don't have the time to keep debating > this, so any further criticisms of my piece will just have to stay up there > without me trying to defend myself. I have seen Mags and Mack's replies and > so this is also a partial reply to them, but some of what they say, although > I disagree strongly, I will have to let go. I'm not trying to have the last > word or convert the world. > Let me simply say this. I am not "making quick judgments about people that > I haven't met" as you claim. I have stated my genuine feeling that I think > Kakki is a good person for whom I have respect. But she did say, most > clearly quite a while ago (sorry if you can't find it, I have not kept it > either but I know what I read) something like "Oh I wish people who are not > American would just shut up for a while and let us get on with our grief". > The same sentiment still echoed by Mack now. My only point was that the > grief is not exclusively American, that we are just as depressed and hurt > here. I could not have felt differently if the planes had gone down in > Liverpool or Brussels. In addition, we in London feel probably more > vulnerable as potential targets than some people in the States should feel, > which adds to our feeling of gloom and direct involvement. But it seems my > hurt and sleepless nights don't count compared to what someone in the States > is feeling, so even if I disagree with her on some political points or > theological points, I should not give my opinion because it might upset her! > Well great, that's put me in my right place hasn't it! (I realise this is > not a point you made, Victor, but some of the other messages did, and it > took me right back to that office and the military parade 20 years ago.) > One last thing: this is an e-mail list. Sorry that I have not (yet) met the > other listers in the flesh as you have done. But that is no reason why I > can't read and understand what people are saying on e-mail, and reply to it, > in what I thought was a reasonably courteous manner (until I was asked so > courteously the shut the feck up...). I repeat, I did not jump to quick > conclusions, I did not judge anyone. Maybe you did so with me, though? > Anyway, thanks to the many more listers who have sent me personal messages > of support, at least some people found my contribution useful, widening the > debate, which is all I wanted to do. > > Victor, as I don't write often I'll make the most of it now by smuggling in > something very different. I just wanted to say that I really liked your > "desert island disk" list, I made a note at the time thinking "must be a > nice guy" and you probably are, so I might as well share that with you! > All the best, > Lieve. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Johnson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: joni > Subject: Re: grief and hurt(njc) > > . Leive wrote: I find it extremely upsetting that you > claim all-American exclusivity to feelings of grief and hurt over > the recent > atrocities. > > I have not gotten this from anything that Kakki has written. Also, > I KNOW > Kakki and know that this is not true. Please everybody, refrain > from > making quick judgements about people whom you have never met before. > It > just leads to misunderstanding and unpleasantness. > > Victor in Athens > > NP: RUSH- Caress of Steel > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson > > EBRD SECURITY NOTICE > > This Email has been Virus Scanned -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_
