fred wrote:

> Here's one: Marshall Plan First ... serious humanitarian aid -- food,
> medical, infrastructure -- not just in Afghanistan (after we used them to
> fight our proxy war with the USSR, we left their country and people in a
> shambles when it was over) but in all Arab and Muslim countries where
needed,
> buying good will throughout the world (our current aid is roughly 10 cents
> for every $100 of GNP as opposed to other major industrialized nations who
> give roughly 20-30 cents for every $100 of GNP) which will build a much
> stronger coalition against terrorism than just political intimidation.
This
> will alleviate some of the desperate conditions that breed terrorism, as
> opposed to ineffectual broadband military action that can't help but to
> enrage currently moderate Muslims and will only foment more terrorism.
> Concurrently with large scale humanitarian aid, use special forces in
highly
> focused covert action to track down Al Qaeda cells
around the world.

For something like the Marshall plan to work there would have to be a
willingness of the participants to be helped and that is not present.  Those
people do not want our help.  They want us out, period.  Also, the
simplistic statement give peace a chance makes a great song but it is not
realistic in this setting, as Mary said.  Those countries and the
governments, people, etc. in them would have to have the same kind of
mindset that we do for that to work.  They don't.  Infrastructure.  To help
them build an infrastructure would require us to be even more involved in
the region than we are.  They would never allow it.  Medical assistance.
The same thing.  They would never allow it.  As for our proxy war with the
USSR, I suppose the alternative would have been better which would have been
to give no aid at all and allow the Soviets to completely overrun the
country.  I watched a documentary on this country last week.  It has always
been in a great state of turmoil, to say that we are responsible for leaving
their country and their people in a state of turmoil is simply not accurate,
or true.  We were not responsible for going into Afghanistan after that
conflict and doing anything.  The moral thing to do.  Maybe, but it was not
our job to do so.  What did we do?  Hmmm.  We helped them kick the Soviets
out of their country which is what they wanted in the first place.  I would
say that their own mismanagement of their country and the Soviets left their
country in a shambles,  the U.S. most certainly did not do it.  As far as
the GNP, there are countries in the Arab world that are filthy rich and we
are supposed to be the ones who give all of the aid, infrastructure,
medical, etc.  Hogwash.  We are not responsible for the "desperate"
conditions in the Middle East.  They are.  The terrorists have made it very
clear and concise that we are in a region that they don't believe we have
any right to be in.  That is one of the reasons for their hate.  They do not
want us in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else.  Even though the Saudi government
has welcomed us.  They state very clearly that they have gone to Afghanistan
to take it over and make it the base for their terrorist actions.  Where is
the outrage for all of those native Afghanis who are were being starved and
brutalized before this action was even started?  The starvation, children
dying because of no medical care, refugee problem : did not begin with our
involvement.  Hmm.  Marshall plan.. Syria.  Nope.  Iraq.  Nope.  Iran.
Nope.  Palestinians.  Nope.  Lebanon.  Nope.  And why?  They want Israel
out.  Not likely to happen.  Pressure Israel and Palestine for a real peace
accord.  Pressure them with what?  What could we possibly do to overcome
such hatred, that has been going on since the beginning of time.  As long as
Israel is there, the hate will continue.  I suppose we could completely
disavow Israel and tell them they are on their own.  That might do the trick
but don't think it is going to happen.  Highly focused covert action?  Isn't
that what we are doing now?  Isn't there a chance of civilian casualties in
a highly focused covert action?  Or would a few civilian casualties be more
acceptable than a larger number?  We could ask them to turn themselves in
peacefully and explain that we were going to help them with their
infrastructure, medical care, etc.  I would imagine that they would respond
in kind and we could be great friends.  Ain't gonna happen.  So what will be
do?  We need to catch them and bring them to justice or if for no other
reason than just to make sure they don't kill anymore innocent people. How
will we achieve that and make sure, completely and with no chance of
failure, that no one is hurt, that no one is negatively affected?  The
concept of peace put to them with an olive branch extended, a John Lennon
tune playing in the background, a barbeque, our hands extended, the Marshall
Plan?  I only wish it were that simple.

Mack

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