Kate
I understand that you would have a more intricate take on this whole welfare and irresponsible parenting issue because of your line of work. I wonder if you, as someone who works with people in need of welfare, realize when certain individuals are using the system. Here in Miami(probably the fraud capital of the world), I can tell you that there are many wed and unwed mothers that claim their husband or boyfriend(the father of the children) has left them when they in fact are still very much together. Some of them really play it up by living separately for awhile but others continue to blatantly live together. How do we stop this? How do we stop the families that have been on welfare for generations to stop having children. I never suggested that we, as a nation or government, should force them to get sterilized, I proposed that they get it done out of their own free will and as consideration to those that are having to dish out a lot of money every year to help support them and their children. Some people have suggested "Why don't you report those people that are abusing welfare through their children?" Well I've always thought that the children would end up losing if this would happen. I also understand that now, more than ever, we are seeing a lot of previously stable families become unstable due to job loss. Let me add that there are a lot of people that would not be having such a difficult time with job losses if they did not overextend themselves while they had a job. A lot(not all) of Americans are very big on overextending themselves with expensive toys instead of saving their money for an emergency. Anyways, these are not the people that I was talking about because until recently (before they lost their jobs) they were part of the population that contributed to welfare by just being part of the work force. My aim is to those that plan to make a living off of living on welfare. Some families have been doing this for generations.

I assume your cold and cruel comment was specifically towards castrating sex offenders and murderers(or maybe I'm not quite sure what that was in reference to since I think it was a general oneliner type of reply). Some may say that the death penalty is cold and cruel. Others would say that living in a small jail cell is cold and cruel(even though a lot of prisoners live with more comfort than people on welfare-I think that is really crazy). I think that the only thing people would be somewhat okay with is if someone were standing there with a shot gun ready to kill someone as they were committing the crime. We all know that this rarely happens and the sad fact is that after the crime there is always someone somewhere ready to defend these offender and making sure no one is ever cold and cruel to them. Most of these offenders are repeat offenders and thrive on the act of being cold and cruel while they sit there and watch there handy work. I, for one, think that from that point onward nobody should be anything but cold to them. Maybe not cruel but definitely cold. One last thing, castration as a surgical procedure is not a cruel act. Many men with severe prostate problems have to get this procedure done. This would not get performed ala Fidel Castro in a cuban camp(I know an older gentleman,ex-cuban political prisoner, who was castrated by beating in a cuban camp-THAT IS CRUEL!). This is a difficult thing for me to say when I take my spiritual beliefs into consideration but I would be lying if I told you I felt differently.

As to this thread, I'm tired already. It is very difficult to get people to see a point clearly through a medium such as this one. That is pretty obvious when you read all the conflicting interpretations to the Joni Mitchell Rolling Stone interview. That went on for days. While some people wrote me stating that most people will misunderstand what you are trying to say so just let it go and don't even bother responding, I found many to be receptive to what I was saying once I explained the thought behind it. Others knew what I meant from the get go by not trying to assume information that was not given. Still, this was a most exhausting experience and before having anybody else insinuate that I'm anti-women, anti -gay or a Nazi, I will keep my comments strictly to music. For those of you who asked for clarification before deciding whether to jump on me or not...I thank you!
Will





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