>>I understand that you would have a more intricate take on this whole
welfare
and irresponsible parenting issue because of your line of work. I wonder if
you, as someone who works with people in need of welfare, realize when
certain individuals are using the system.<<

of course i do, people in all walks of life at all levels of income are
using the system to their benefit at the expense of taxpayers & hard working
people...i get tired of people dismissing the welfare system as one place
that is so rife with fraud...if you want to take on fraud, i suggest there
are other places where much more money being misapprpriated...

btw, will the following paragraph is NOT aimed at you in particular but you
brought up a topic that i am now adding my 2 cents to, okay? so don't take
it as a personal attack...if the shoe doesn't fit, then just don't wear
it...

it is easy for some to take on the poor because, well they are poor...why
not criticize those who are wealthy who are committing fraud?...perhaps
because its more difficult & dangerous? ...
is there a word to use, like sexism or racism or homophobia that can be used
to describe a prejudice some have towards the poor? there can be an
insidious ignorance & prejudice among many educated, hardworking &
successful people when they talk about those who are on welfare, homeless,
etc.

btw, there have been massive changes to the welfare system over the past 3
or so years...i don't know how much overall budget cuts this has created &
i'm pretty sure the system works in all states pretty much the way it works
in this state (california)...i'm no longer working with all the details of
this complex system but i remain on a committee (with some of our towns most
wonderful philanthropists) that raises extra funds to help single parents
who are working really really hard to get out of the system...these funds
are neccessary because the social service funds they receive just don't add
up to enough for them to have & roof, food, transportation, childcare & the
cost of education...so that they can climb out of the poverty level that
makes them relay on  welfare in the first place...there is now a requirement
of working/education hours, in order for someone to receive welfare funds in
this country...& welfare is only available to an individual for about 2
years...in that time it is expected that the single parent will be able to
join the workforce...

i have been very much in support of the incentives & requirements for those
receiving welfare to be going to school to earn a skill so that they can
have a good career...however, the system is highly flawed & was designed by
people who have no clue as to the realities of what it takes to get off the
system...i could go on, but i think i've made my point...btw, in the past, i
have seen how the fraud division works quite well, they are pretty on top of
things to the point of bringing in & questioning someone who is not being
fraudulent at all...

btw, if anyone has seen Bowling for Columbine, there is one incident that
touches on the flaws of how this reformed welfare system is actually working
in reality...i highly recommend this movie to everyone...

>>Let me add that there are a lot of people that would not be having such a
difficult
time with job losses if they did not overextend themselves while they had a
job. A lot(not all) of Americans are very big on overextending themselves
with expensive toys instead of saving their money for an emergency.<<<

the above statement shows little understanding of the fact that their are a
vast number of people who live from paycheck to paycheck...who have never
had the kind of income to allow them to buy  expensive toys...

>>My aim is to those that plan to make a living off of living on welfare.
Some families
have been doing this for generations.<<

you need to educate yourself as to how the welfare system is currently
working...i've given you some basic understanding of how different things
are now, i'd encourage you to learn more...

>I assume your cold and cruel comment was specifically towards castrating
sex
offenders and murderers(or maybe I'm not quite sure what that was in
reference to since I think it was a general oneliner type of reply).<

yes it was both of your comments regarding sterilization or castration that
triggered my cold & cruel comment... i stated my reasons but you have missed
this point as well- i'll say it again- our judicial system is very flawed
(well human's are flawed)...innocent people can & have been accused &
convicted of things they did not do...i do not believe in such harsh actions
as you have proposed because i want to defend the guilty...it is my
intention to protect those who may be innocent (& wrongly charged)..clear?

>>As to this thread, I'm tired already. It is very difficult to get people
to
see a point clearly through a medium such as this one.<<<

yes it is, but the challenges others make when we state our views here can
be very helpful in learning how to express ourselves more clearly...& if we
are willing, to sometimes even rethink some of our beliefs...life is for
learning...

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