kakki wrote  The U.S. to get away from its dependency has for years now been 
importing from South America, Mexico and Canada and I
think even some regions in Asia.>

Currently we importing 24% of our oil from the Middle East - a lower proportion since 
the 70's, but up a third in recent years.  Production in Mexico and Canada is expected 
to peak in the next decade.

kakki wrote  The oil guys are especially eyeing oil production in Russia next now that 
we are not Cold War adversaries any more. Which begs my question - with so many other 
sources and opportunities why would the U.S., as opposed to the primary customers such 
as Europe and Asia, want to tangle with a volatile situation and madman if it were 
only for oil?>

I'm far from an expert, but from what I've read, non-OPEC oil production is expected 
to decline sometime in the next decade - production from new reserves may just be 
replacing oil from declining reserves.  

<kakki wrote> I know that Iraq has big reserves and that if the western customers had 
better access the prices would go down (not neccessarily good for the oil companies, 
though).>

Not necessarily bad for oil companies either, prices bottoming out would be bad, but - 
increased production leading to lower prices could lead to increased consumption, 
lower transportation costs.  And then there's that gleaming possibility of diminishing 
the influence OPEC has on the global market. 

<kakki wrote>And of course another reason for  U.S. involvement has been to help 
protect the countries of Israel and Kuwait and help be some kind of mediator in peace 
negotiations in the entire region gong back to Nixon.

Yes, I agree with you here - particularly with regards to protecting Israel.  This of 
course has influenced U.S. policy of the decades and though I believe oil is a primary 
reason for our involvement in the Middle East, it is not the only one. 

<kakki wrote> Indeed. Like I've always said - if it were up to me we'd leave the 
entire region on it's own. But part of me also thinks that if we did that and the
whole region disintergrated into war, genocide and chaos, I don't know how
good I'd feel about myself for turning the other way, either.

Kind of like post-colonial Africa...

> But it is impossible to not acknowledge the former and present ties they
have to the energy industry.

<kakki wrote>Of course, but saying because they were involved in the energy industry 
that they are only confronting Iraq because of the oil is kind of like saying JFK only 
confrtonted Cuba and launched the Bay of Pigs invasion because his
family wanted to get its monopoly on Havana rums and casinos back.>

Sorry, I didn't make it clear - I don't  believe their only confronting Iraq because 
of their personal ties in the energy industry.  

<kakki wrote> Many countries are concerned about Saddam's bio, chemical and nuclear 
weapons. Someone from Canada just sent me the UK's report on Saddam's weapons and how 
he has used them on his own people - it is long and I haven't had the chance to read 
it but he tells me it is absolutely chilling.>

Yes, it's awful, I agree, but there was a time when we chose to look the other way, 
when it was to our perceived benefit.  And there are many who believe that Saddam does 
not pose an immediate threat to the western world, that he is less capable of such 
than he was before the Gulf War.  

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