In an otherwise excellent post, Randy writes: 

"As to Kakki's [good] question about whether we should feel
just as squeamish about Gore's born-again Baptist orientation
(or Leiberman, who can't seem to produce a sentence that
doesn't refer to God) as we are about George W's deep ties
to the religious right, the answer is yes."

I don't think Gore is a born again Baptist, any more than Clinton is.   I 
suspect both men are religious skeptics who know that in order to be 
electable, you should at least look like a Christian of some kind and attend 
church accordingly.   People are scared by atheists who are vilified as 
amoral.  Clinton and Gore purport to be Baptists because they descend from a 
long line of them.   Clinton doesn't behave like a Baptist (not a good one 
anyway) and Gore doesn't think like one.  Gore's book "Earth in the Balance" 
is a thoughtful one, but he attempts and fails to find a Biblical 
justification for the preservation of our "garden planet, oasis in space".   
The Bible clearly tells us all the wrong things to do when it comes to 
ecology:  to be fruitful and multiply, and to subdue the earth and its 
beasts.  Some people think the Bible has a timeless wisdom and it does, but 
it's mostly a grossly outdated and irrelevant text which to a nonbeliever is 
nothing but the collected myths of the Hebrews -- it has no more veracity 
than the collected myths of the Ancient Greeks or Teutons or the present day 
Japanese who believe a descendent of the sun goddess Amiterasu is sitting on 
the Chrysanthemum throne.   Yeah, right.   I may be a Democrat, but 
Lieberman's constant harping on God in the campaign was totally inappropriate 
and I was glad when some Jewish organizations told him to stop it.  

Bush, on the other hand, credits Jesus as having helped him reach sobriety 
and actually declared a "Jesus Day" as an unofficial holiday in Texas.   That 
Bush believes in the myth of Jesus makes me completely distrust him as it 
shows his susceptibility to magical thinking.  That's exactly why Ashcroft, a 
fundamentalist Christian, should be strongly opposed as his conservative 
politics are directly influenced by his religious beliefs.   I can't believe 
this won't effect how he enforces the present laws of the land including 
reproductive rights and gay and women's rights. 

Our nation was founded by a combination of atheists and deists who believed 
in the separation of church and state.  It's time to throw out all the bibles 
in our courts and places of government and it's time we get rid of the word 
God on our money as well as the ridiculous notion that we all do or should 
place our trust in him.  I don't -- it is purely human beings who are running 
the show down here.  God is not intervening, does not take sides, does not 
have an opinion, cannot tell us what's right.  We have to take complete 
responsibility for what happens on the planet.  As I mentioned in a previous 
post, one of the ideas of the Reagan years that made me genuinely ill was 
Reagan's personal belief that the Rapture was coming soon.   Reagan believed 
we didn't need to worry about exploiting the environment as Jesus was coming 
soon to straighten out everything and recreate the world order for a thousand 
years of peace.  The historical Jesus died about 2000 years ago and he's 
going to stay dead.   He won't come back and recreate all the old growth 
forests destroyed by clear cutting and revive all the animal species who are 
extinct or will be extinct as a result of environmental destruction.   Jesus 
will not fill the hole in the ozone layer or halt global warming. 

As for Chavez, I believe what was reported on CNN, that Bush deep sixed her 
after learning that she had not been forthcoming.   He would likely have 
stood by her if she hadn't withheld this information.  

The whole issue of hiring illegals is an interesting one as it is utterly 
common in California and Texas.  I have hired a few workers myself and never 
questioned any of them about their status and have only ever paid them cash - 
if you do it through an agency, they will only get minimum wage and they will 
have to pay taxes on it.  The old stereotype of Mexicans being a lazy people 
who idle away the afternoons in siestas is utterly false.   All the latinos I 
work with are incredibly hard working, and more importantly, they take on 
jobs that most Americans are not willing to take.   I learned a few years ago 
that Mexican and Central American farm workers are brought to other places in 
the United States to harvest fruit and cotton because they do a better job 
than local laborers.  The secret that is not a secret is that the economies 
of California and Texas need all the illegals we have or we would otherwise 
face a labor shortage.   We don't have a huge pool of welfare recipients who 
can replace them. 

I am sure Chavez had plenty of compassion for the woman she housed and hired, 
but she also put that woman to work.  Lori listed the real reasons  the 
Chavez nomination  should be opposed -- she's no friend of labor, just as 
Gale Norton is no friend of the Interior.   Bush's nominee for Education is 
receiving bipartisan support (although he does support vouchers) so it isn't 
like the Dems are opposing everything Bush does because he stole the election 
(and he did).   It's a matter of fighting for what's best, and Bush's picks 
for his cabinet have shown us how genuinely conservative he is.  I am glad 
that my own congressman and senators will be fighting this administration on 
every objectionable policy, especially the wholesale exploitation of the 
environment which we have seen in Bush's own state of Texas, the most 
polluted in the nation.  

- Clark 

NP:  beautiful rain 

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