In a message dated 1/13/01 6:26:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< most of the articulate and vocal people  (whether civil or downright rude) 
about politics and social issues on this  list - and I include myself in this 
philosophical wondering - seem like we  are not open or willing to accept 
information that makes us reconsider our  positions. >>

The actual problem is that one side either has no facts to provide or they 
have been unwilling to provide facts. They have relied in many cases on wild 
assertions clearly disproven by many facts available. I am on record as 
absolutely eager to know any additional "facts" but the discussies for their 
own reasosn would rather deny actual information that exists in lieu of 
retaining their subjective opinions. Example: I sent on lister an atrticle (3 
actually) that contained  well documented list if the events that have 
created the middle east issues. He hasnt responded back. I can only assume he 
has no alternative historical evidence. So you tell me who wins that 
argument. But this isd the way much of the JMDL discussions have gone. Thats 
the record. The record isnt the refusal to accept new information it is the 
failure to provide new information. marcel

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