--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Im not defending Eminem. In fact the opposit is > true. Recently in the thread > about the KKK and 13 year olds visiting evil > websites I posted an article > about a left wing group that was literally doing > everything that the KKK does > and has done but in the name of a politically > "approved" cause Not only did > I not recieve any emails from listers discussing the > irony but there were > none posted publicly. The silence was deafening. i think the silence was deafening because it was a bullshit analogy. i am unaware of any lynching of black men and women by the "ELF" or any other environmental group. i am unaware of any systematic torture of any jews by the "ELF". i am unaware of any cross burnings or church burnings by the "ELF". i am unaware of any attempt by the "ELF" to declare themselves the "righteous" race. in fact, no murder, no INJURY (let alone death) of a human has ever come about as a direct action of any activity claimed by the "ELF". plenty of property, millions of dollars worth, has been destroyed by (or claimed to have been destroyed by) this group. so what you are saying with this argument, marcel, is that this destroyed property is just as valuable as the lives of thousands of victims of the KKK and other race-based hate groups. in fact, this group (that i don't support, by the way) takes these actions in a misguided attempt to save the planet for all creatures, human and non. they are trying to wake people up to the devastation that is occuring everyday in our own backyards. no, i dont' think it's the right approach. i don't believe in violence as a political tactic. but they aren't specifically trying to hurt or denegrate people or advance an agenda based on hate (unless you think hating developers and corporations like monsanto is the same thing, i guess). > recently with the news that > Elton John will perform with Eminem have come > comments from artists like > Madonna who have supported Eminem because art is > supposed to "disturb" etc. > As if that is some kind of actual justification. it's not a justification, she's making your point for you. here we sit, arguing about what a dirty little rat bastard he is, as his actions rally together a crowd of gay-rights activists that hasn't been spurred to action since the death of matthew sheppard. they have a cause celebre, and as a result we are having a dialog about civil-rights for all humans. > with the Clintons popularity still > high in spite of > revelations that they stole not just the furniture > but art that was solicited > for the White House permanent collection. (Actually > Hillary meant to say "Our > House" permanent collection but thats another story) i love how you always seem to pull in a diatribe against the clintons, no matter what argument you are making! While Madonna is at > least consistent Im sure her opinion would change if > someone created art > showing her in schemes or a public art exhibit that > violated her personal > world. they have, for over 15 years now, been violating her personal world. her attitude seems to have been strengthened by this abuse, not shaken. my 2 cents. alison e. in nyc
