hey Gary, thanks for your response. I hear what you are saying that using tags is a way to go. A tag solution was my first approach, but I could find no way to create tag menu items (to mimic sec/cat) for addressable tag labled article lists/layouts. Do you know of a solution/technique to do this?
Plus, all of the cool news article layout modules (JXTC/Gavick News Pro, etc.) all only supported (as in "loodked for") joomla sec/cat, with the exception of RokNews which could also support k2 elements. I am sure there is probably a way to do this by combining alot of the techniques mentioned, but it just seems to me that when creating a new CCK capability it is a missed opportunity to not also improve and make an easy way to handle complex categorization, especially since it has been accomplished with the directory/listing solutions. Obviously I am not an extension developer and there could be very good reasons why noone except one develper has attempted it, but it sure would be nice. :-) -Arzie On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:00 AM, <joomla-requ...@lists.nyphp.org> wrote: > Send joomla mailing list submissions to > joomla@lists.nyphp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > joomla-requ...@lists.nyphp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > joomla-ow...@lists.nyphp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of joomla digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: K2, what where they thinking? (Arzie Hardin) > 2. Re: K2, what where they thinking? (Gary Mort) > 3. Chrome: wow...just.....wow (Gary Mort) > 4. Re: Chrome: wow...just.....wow (Sean Scott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:18:49 -0500 > From: Arzie Hardin <arz...@gmail.com> > To: joomla@lists.nyphp.org > Subject: Re: [joomla] K2, what where they thinking? > Message-ID: > <329fadf41001241318v63f1fb47k21a8832ba67ee...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Though I am not as familiar with the plumbing details, I have to say I am a > bit torn over K2 and most all of the other new "CCK" (content creation kit) > solutions, as well as some of the old directory solutions now "re-branded" > as CCK. > > The biggest missed opportunity to me with with having the ability to create > new content types is the seemingly obvious capability to also define new > organizational models, specifically multi-categorization which all of the > new solutions miss. Both, having more than two levels (e.g. section and > category in joomla core) for each content type, as well as the ability to > have one piece of content appear in more than a single category. This is > already possible with the major directory extentions (Sobi2, Moset tree) > for > listings, but it is dead on arrival in all of the CCK solutions except for > one, which happens to be the only ioncube ecrypted and of course commercial > solution (Mighty Extensions Resources). ME Resources is actually really > good > for exactly this, but you are stuck with there environment for most every > thing else (community, media, listings, comments, etc.). I have heard that > sobi2 could be tuned to publish articles, but just as ME Resources, if you > go that route you are restricted from using the wealth of com_content based > modules and plugins looking for joomla core sections and categories. > > I have heard different things about what to expect in J1.6, some of which > says it will natively handle multi-mapping (improve on the current one > content, one category model) and support category nesting (sub-categories), > but I have a feeling it may just be the later. > > If anyone knows of any other solution/hacks for multi-categorization of > joomla com_content articles (Jseblod cck is close, but no multi-mapping), > please point me to it. > > Thanks. > > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <joomla-requ...@lists.nyphp.org> wrote: > > > Send joomla mailing list submissions to > > joomla@lists.nyphp.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > joomla-requ...@lists.nyphp.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > joomla-ow...@lists.nyphp.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of joomla digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. K2, what where they thinking? (Gary Mort) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:55:56 -0500 > > From: Gary Mort <garyam...@gmail.com> > > To: "NYPHP SIG: Joomla" <joomla@lists.nyphp.org> > > Subject: [joomla] K2, what where they thinking? > > Message-ID: <4bffc351001240755pd6c313he9f26dd874145...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Doing things differently for the sake of different is silly. > > > > They have some really nice clean code there. > > > > Then they do weird things like use an MVC framework for 80% of the code, > > and > > then one vital function which if they had used MVC could be easily > adjusted > > with a template override, they stick the html output in the > controller..... > > > > Their field definitions are very basic...no harm there, but WHY do their > > own > > coding? Joomla already has a built in set of field definitions that are > > much richer, why code your own when you have it sitting right there to > use? > > > > Oh well.... I feel like by this time in a week and half I'll have the K2 > > system I want..... but then what to do with all those hacks? > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/joomla/attachments/20100124/ec222e2c/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > joomla mailing list > > joomla@lists.nyphp.org > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > > > End of joomla Digest, Vol 37, Issue 19 > > ************************************** > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/joomla/attachments/20100124/75e9a922/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:35:20 -0500 > From: Gary Mort <garyam...@gmail.com> > To: "NYPHP SIG: Joomla" <joomla@lists.nyphp.org> > Subject: Re: [joomla] K2, what where they thinking? > Message-ID: > <4bffc351001241435q7e7cf50dy92e1e50dafe57...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Arzie Hardin <arz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Though I am not as familiar with the plumbing details, I have to say I am > a > > bit torn over K2 and most all of the other new "CCK" (content creation > kit) > > solutions, as well as some of the old directory solutions now > "re-branded" > > as CCK. > > > > The biggest missed opportunity to me with with having the ability to > create > > new content types is the seemingly obvious capability to also define new > > organizational models, specifically multi-categorization which all of the > > new solutions miss. Both, having more than two levels (e.g. section and > > category in joomla core) for each content type, as well as the ability to > > have one piece of content appear in more than a single category. This is > > already possible with the major directory extentions (Sobi2, Moset tree) > for > > listings, but it is dead on arrival in all of the CCK solutions except > for > > one, > > > > My perspective is completely different. I think that this solution already > exists for almost all of them, including regular old Joomla content. > > A complex many to many categorization system is best done via tags. You > can > setup a tag system where only you get to create the tags, and only your > authors can pick them. > > You can do multi-levle cagtegorization by borrowing a simple trick off of > venerable old Lotus Notes and name your tags > <category><seperator><sub-category> > > For example: > Apparel\Shirts\Fancy > Appare\Shirts\muscle > > Then it's just a matter of a few modules and display layouts to explode the > tags. > > > For my own personal use, I tend towards the following section/category > structure: > > Ideas\Site > Ideas\Articles > Ideas\Blog > Ideas\Pages > > then > > Draft\Site > Draft\Articels > Draft\Blog > Draft\Pages > > to > > Ready\Site > Ready\Articles > Ready\Blog > Ready\Pages > > and then someday > > Archived\Site > Archived\Articles > Archived\Blog > Archived\Pages > > > Where Site is for articles about the company or site. > Articles is for general informational stuff > Blogs is for "blog" style articles > And Pages is for static pages > > > The benefit of this system is that you can setup your search plugins so > they > only index ready and archive items. While you can still "publish" ideas > and > drafts and send direct links to others to solict feedback without having to > give them an account on your site. > > > -- > ---- > Hudson Valley Sudbury School > What GPL is for application users > Our school is for students > Help your children grow, change, and learn > Let your child direct, control, amend > Check out http://www.sudburyschool.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/joomla/attachments/20100124/02250d6a/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:02 -0500 > From: Gary Mort <garyam...@gmail.com> > To: "NYPHP SIG: Joomla" <joomla@lists.nyphp.org> > Subject: [joomla] Chrome: wow...just.....wow > Message-ID: > <4bffc351001250552s200aa4f2j568001f6b55ac...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Been using Chrome for about 4 days. > > Ok, there is a LOT I hate about it. It's too small and compact and harder > to read. Or it's too big and sprawling and pages go off my screen! > > BUT, it is FAST. Blazingly fast. > > I finally gave it a try when I was helping a friend tune up her daughters > netbook because it was slow, and I had to go to a website. I opened both > Chrome and Firefox at the same time and Chrome zipped open and loaded it's > page....Firefox.....draggggggged. > > Sometimes speed is good. > > I ESPECIALLY like to use chrome for Joomla backend admin. Even if I decide > I can't stand the interface, I'll still keep it for that because it is much > zippier. > > -- > ---- > Hudson Valley Sudbury School > What GPL is for application users > Our school is for students > Help your children grow, change, and learn > Let your child direct, control, amend > Check out http://www.sudburyschool.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/joomla/attachments/20100125/0dd60405/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:00:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Sean Scott <thereal...@yahoo.com> > To: "NYPHP SIG: Joomla" <joomla@lists.nyphp.org> > Subject: Re: [joomla] Chrome: wow...just.....wow > Message-ID: <770052.12581...@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I had the same feeling when I first started using it. But after a few > months it did eventually slow down. I also found that Chrome doesn't handle > multiple tabs as well as Firefox. Yes, if one crashes, then it's just that > one, but that really doesn't happen that often for me on Firefox. If I > remember correctly, after spending a lot of time in one tab on Chrome, when > you tried to return to another, it was blank and took a really long time to > come back. Very annoying! And last thing, some sites weren't showing > properly. So I went back to using Firefox. Keep in mind though I use > bookmarks extensively so I don't know if that's what's slowing down both > browsers. Besides that and the fact I always open up many tabs, I can't > think of why it slowed down. I keep running virus and malware scans and > nothing. Oh well, good luck! > > - Sean > > --------------------- > Sean R Scott > CEO, SoulRealiS > http://soulrealis.com > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Gary Mort <garyam...@gmail.com> > To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla@lists.nyphp.org> > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 8:52:02 AM > Subject: [joomla] Chrome: wow...just.....wow > > Been using Chrome for about 4 days. > > Ok, there is a LOT I hate about it. It's too small and compact and harder > to read. Or it's too big and sprawling and pages go off my screen! > > BUT, it is FAST. Blazingly fast. > > I finally gave it a try when I was helping a friend tune up her daughters > netbook because it was slow, and I had to go to a website. I opened both > Chrome and Firefox at the same time and Chrome zipped open and loaded it's > page....Firefox.....draggggggged. > > Sometimes speed is good. > > I ESPECIALLY like to use chrome for Joomla backend admin. Even if I decide > I can't stand the interface, I'll still keep it for that because it is much > zippier. > > -- > ---- > Hudson Valley Sudbury School > What GPL is for application users > Our school is for students > Help your children grow, change, and learn > Let your child direct, control, amend > Check out http://www.sudburyschool.org > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/joomla/attachments/20100125/e0510d30/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > joomla mailing list > joomla@lists.nyphp.org > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > End of joomla Digest, Vol 37, Issue 20 > ************************************** >
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