Brent,
> This statement pretty much sums up my experience with OSM in general and is
> the reason I no longer contribute. The project leads pretty much do what
> they want and pour scorn onto anyone who doesn't agree with their point of
> view. It's not just JOSM, it seems to be the standard OSM culture. It is one
> of the most disagreeable projects I have ever had the misfortune to be
> involved in.
I'm sorry you feel this way. It was never my intention to "pour scorn"
on anybody (at least not in the JOSM architecture discussion...); indeed
I feel actually at the receiving end of that process ("what? you call
this pile of crap a JAVA program when it disregards anything anybody
ever teaches or learns about Java?").
I honestly believe that JOSM-NG is a clean, new, fine, and good
approach, and I'm encouraging anyone unhappy with JOSM to work on
JOSM-NG. I'm not at all hostile to this and I am perfectly happy to
throw away JOSM once JOSM-NG is a workable replacement. I know that
people often say this to discourage people (saying, in a way "har har,
you can work on JOSM-NG all you want but you'll never catch up"). I
promise that once we have JOSM-NG up and running (and, hopefully, with
all the Java design experts united behind JOSM-NG and working on it!) I
will help the migration from JOSM to JOSM-NG. I wouldn't even be
offended if JOSM-NG was called JOSM2.0 or whatever. As soon as JOSM-NG
is better than JOSM, I won't shed a tear for JOSM.
The reason I don't work with JOSM-NG myself, and the reason I came to
JOSM in the first place, is that I am result oriented. I don't care for
Java. I want the editor to be usable to the mappers, and I want to
concentrate the little time I have on working on new *features* that
make life easier for mappers, instead of a cleaner architecture (even if
this possibly helps new features in the future - the whole of OSM is a
"low hanging fruit" project, we don't usually do things that will help
us the day after tomorrow, we do things that help us now).
So I will continue to work on JOSM but I don't do that to sabotage
JOSM-NG or discourage people from taking JOSM-NG seriously. There's a
German saying that goes "I'd rather have the sparrow in my hand than the
dove on the roof" - and JOSM is my sparrow right now. You go get the
dove and I won't need the sparrow no more.
Bye
Frederik
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