Am 05.03.2011 21:27, schrieb Dirk Stöcker:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2011, hbogner wrote:
We lost some new OSM mappers because of this.
If the people are discouraged that easily then they would have gone soon
anyway. Have you ever got a message/email from someone who thinks that
you "destroyed" his work due to a simple modification. The validator is
harmless compared to this. My father who does a lot more than I do gets
these messages constantly and I got them a lot when I was more active.
Strange, I never got a single message like this since 2007 ...
The time for basic mapping is over (at least in Germany and central
europe)
That's simply untrue, except for big cities.
and tools like the validator are more and more important to get
a useable database. JOSM's goal is not to have to ultimate freedom for a
mapper.
Is this JOSMs goal or your personal?
> JOSM allows you to do nearly everything, but it does not
encourage you to do so. The goal is a usable database following some
unique standards. And it must be easier for a user to follow the
standards than not to do it.
Again, is this JOSMs goal or your personal?
E.g. it is not the goal of OSM (and it should not be the goal of JOSM)
to warn about "unknown relation types".
Maybe in some cases the tests aren't perfectly correct,
The last time I've tested it, the results were unjustified,
overreacting, not helpful on how to fix it ...
but this is to
be expected as automatic detection of these topics is a very complicated
issue and errors can't be prevented.
As the experienced developer can't handle it, the unexperienced mapper
has to deal with it - ouch! :-(
When you find such problems, report
them properly and they will be fixed when possible.
If I judge this issue based on the ticket reports we get, than we have
only minor problems with this. And half of the reports ask to add
additional checks and not to remove some.
If most people just switch off the validator because it's just bogus and
brocken - which it is IMHO, it's no wonder that there are not much
tickets about it. Why writing a ticket when you can easily get rid of
"that annoying stuff".
If you want to have such a validator, it has to be as perfect as
possible under all circumstances and the messages have to be very clear
how to fix the issue. Otherwise it's just a waste of everyones time.
Regards, ULFL
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