i second the idea of learning Java/JSP/Servlets - then it really matters
little whether you're using JRun or Tomcat or....
i had a few years of CF and other web-scripting-language experience before
moving into Java/JSP: i hated how easily one's CF projects can turn into
spaghetti, how much effort it takes to separate logic form presentation,
lack of support for custom functions/methods (apparently fixed in CF 5),
lack of object-orientation in general.
JAva/Servlets/JSP is a great foundation for really separating presentation
and logic, but it still takes self-discipline to keep java code out of your
JSP files. The ability to separate tiers of the application but use the same
language and object-hierarchy paradigm for each tier is the great!
Having one mid-size project under my belt, i'm looking at custom tag
libraries and and the Jakarta Struts library to really get all the scriptlet
code out of my JSP files.
Joe
JOE NISKI | Senior Software Engineer/Internet Architect
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:37 AM
> To: JRun-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF -> JRun
>
>
>
> >Do you want JRun specifics, or just Java Servlets and JSP in
> general? If
> >it's the latter, buy Java Servlet Programming from O'Reilly
> press. The 2nd
> >edition just came out - it will have everything you need to
> get started. I
> >recommend learning the general guidelines of Servlets before
> anything, as
> >that's the "heart" of JSPs and you'll be able to work with
> more than one
> >Servlet engine (e.g. Tomcat, WebSphere, etc.). ...plus, by
> learning to
> >program Servlets, you're learning a *real* programming
> language rather than
> >a souped up markup language that's not much more than ColdFusion ;-)
>
>
> Lets put it this way...
>
> As far as I see it, there is no point in learning JRun
> specifics if learning
> JSP and Servlets in a more generic form is going to make more sense.
>
> Thanks for the hints
>
> Paul
>
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Paul Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:59 AM
> >> To: JRun-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: CF -> JRun
> >>
> >>
> >> It's more that I need an FAQ to run me through why you do
> >> certain things in
> >> certain ways in JRun. I kind of get it, but there are some
> >> alien things to
> >> me.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dave Feltenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: JRun-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 15 June 2001 14:06
> >> Subject: RE: CF -> JRun
> >>
> >>
> >> >If you have JRun installed, there's a demo application
> automatically
> >> >installed:
> >> >
> >> >http://localhost:8100/demo (replace 8100 with whatever
> port your JRun
> >> >default server runs off of)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Paul Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:21 AM
> >> >> To: JRun-Talk
> >> >> Subject: Re: CF -> JRun
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay...
> >> >>
> >> >> I am a CF programmer and have been developing in various
> >> languages for
> >> >> several years.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have been reading Thinking In Java and have got a long way
> >> >> through that,
> >> >> but so far, I have been unable to figure out exactly how to
> >> >> get started with
> >> >> JRun (I know Java and JSP are different, but I need the
> >> >> background in Java
> >> >> to understand it a bit better).
> >> >>
> >> >> I have JRun installed and have the server up and runnning,
> >> >> blah blah blah,
> >> >> but have not been able to get started actually building any
> >> >> applications, as
> >> >> it is not clear exactly how you go about doing that.
> >> >>
> >> >> What I'm saying is that there is no FAQ and simple sample
> >> >> sites out there
> >> >> that go through the code and give you a full understanding of
> >> >> how you go
> >> >> about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone know of such a resource?
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: JRun-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Date: 15 June 2001 13:28
> >> >> Subject: RE: CF -> JRun
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >I'm going to ditto Steve's comment about downloading and
> >> just playing
> >> >> >around.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >One thing that surprised me about JRUN is how stuff is
> >> >> actually built into
> >> >> >it. For example - sessions. I thought I'd have to write my
> >> >> own session
> >> >> hack,
> >> >> >but sessions work for you right out of the box. As do
> >> >> Application vars (in
> >> >> a
> >> >> >way).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't know how best to describe it - I knew Java was
> >> >> powerful, but I
> >> >> >thought that when I moved to JRun I'd be building a lot of
> >> >> crap from the
> >> >> >ground up. This has not been the case. I know I work for
> >> >> Macromedia so my
> >> >> >opinion is probably biased, but so far I have been _darn_
> >> >> tootin' impressed
> >> >> >w/ the product.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >=============================================================
> >> >> ==========
> >> >> >Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for
> >> Macromedia
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >ICQ UIN : 3679482
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: Metin Devrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:22 PM
> >> >> >> To: JRun-Talk
> >> >> >> Subject: CF -> JRun
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am a CF Developer with 3 years CF experience and
> now I have to
> >> >> >> learn JRun for one of our projects.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I just want to get your suggestions :)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thnx !
> >> >> >> --
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