The debugger in Karmira Bugseeker is well worth the $200.  Beats any debugger I've 
seen, including JBuilder 5/6.

I have yet to find an editor that can compete with vim/gvim for useful features, or a 
debugger as good as Karmira.  All the core dev tools I need are gvim, Ant, and 
sometimes Karmira.

BTW, a lot of folks here like Intellij's IDEA.  Definitely a better Java programmer's 
IDE than JBuilder.

Scott S.
Macromedia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: charlie arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[snip] 
> Just curious if anyone can share practical advice to those 
> who may not be in a position to just shell out big bucks 
> when the value of a tool is unclear.
> Yes, the specs say the product offers lots for servlet/jsp 
> developers, but is that value all that much over the elegant
> simplicity of Studio. Admittedly, Studio isn't the best editor 
> for pure java editor, but it suffices. I guess the question is,
> does JBuilder (or indeed Forte, or any other editor) really offer
> that much over Studio? I'm sure in some respects, they can't 
> match Studio (tag editors, tag insight, RDS database processing, 
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