I use JBuilder Profession 3.0, eventually moving to 4.0 when I start to do more JSP's. I've used JRun Studio recently in training and I have to say, I really liked it. The toolbar was better, the enviroment in general was better. It integreated better with JRun. I really do like JBuilder...and I think we will stick with JBuilder. My first impression of JRun Studio a year or so ago was not as good, but they have greatly improved from earlier versions. If you haven't picked an IDE yet to work with JRun I would go with Studio. It's the same company developing both products and I think there's a lot to say about that. They will develop their products to work closer together.
I saw a big difference in Studio between now and a year ago and it's only going to get better that these two products will work very well together. On Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:43 PM, Mark Phelps [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > I can't make a comparison between JBuilder and JRun Studio because I have > not used Studio. With the exception of the debugging issue that we have > been discussing I really like JBuilder. Specifically, I am using JBuilder 4 > Enterprise Edition. > > I have used VisualCafe, Forte, and NetBeans before and JBuilder 4 and 5, (I > haven't tested 6), are better than all of these in my opinion. I do a lot > of JSP, servlet, and EJB development and it makes this process much easier. > Its integration with CVS version control is very good as well. JBuilder's > fatal flaw is its price. I could buy a car for what an enterprise edition > license costs the average person. I don't believe that the extra > capabilities JBuilder provides are worth the difference in price over these > other IDEs. The reason that I use it is that my current client is a > university. They can get JBuilder for a very low price because of > educational discounts. I would never pay the full price. > > If you are looking for a free IDE I recommend Forte Community Edition > version 3 (www.forte.com), or the latest build of Netbeans > (www.netbeans.org). JBuilder personal is OK as well but its license states > that you can't use it for production code. Forte and Netbeans are both > decent IDEs. They may not automate everything for you but they provide good > basic services and the price is right. They are both extensible, as well, > if you want to build your own add-ons to automate things like EJB > deployment. You can get a full blown version of Forte for a price that is > much more reasonable than JBuilder. > > I am still waiting for the day when you can buy a great Java IDE with full > J2EE functionality for less than $200. You used to be able to get > Microsoft's Visual C++ for that kind of price and it worked very well. I > don't know what their stuff costs these days. I think that a lot of Java > software vendors are hurting themselves by beeing way too greedy. > Competition from open source projects is the result. > > -----Original Message----- > From: charlie arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:18 PM > To: JRun-Talk > Subject: using IDE's (was RE: debugging Jrun 3.0 with JBuilder 4.0EE) > > > While we have the ear of two who've used JBuilder, can anyone speak to > whether someone doing simple Jrun development (JSP, > servlets/javabeans/custom tags and only a little EJB) would benefit from the > tool? I mean, I fear some tools would lean toward their heritage of building > java apps and applets, which in many ways is quite different from servlets > (less so beans and perhaps custom tags) and certainly different from JSP. > > So, would you recommend JBuilder as offering that much over Studio? And how > about JBuilder personal vs pro vs enterprise? And how about 4,5,5, and 6? > All variants of those are available on E-bay at reduced price ranging from a > couple hundred to a couple thousand dollars (and the retail prices of the > current versions are of course much higher). > > Just curious if anyone can share practical advice to those who may not be in > a position to just shell out big bucks when the value of a tool is unclear. > Yes, the specs say the product offers lots for servlet/jsp developers, but > is that value all that much over the elegant simplicity of Studio. > Admittedly, Studio isn't the best editor for pure java editor, but it > suffices. I guess the question is, does JBuilder (or indeed Forte, or any > other editor) really offer that much over Studio? I'm sure in some respects, > they can't match Studio (tag editors, tag insight, RDS database processing, > RDS debugging, etc.) > > > /charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Phelps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:09 PM > To: JRun-Talk > Subject: RE: debugging Jrun 3.0 with JBuilder 4.0EE > > > I was the one who wrote the article you mention. I see exactly the same > problem when I debug. I'm not sure why it happens and I have never spent > enough time to see if there is a better way of doing things. Even when the > debugging works, I usually find it so slow to load that I can't stand to use > it. > > There may very well be a better configuration that will give you what you > want but I have not found it yet. > > Our solution at my current assignment has been to create a flexible logging > API that allows us to monitor everything that happens inside the > application. It is not as nice as a propper debugger for finding bugs but > it is great for monitoring the application and providing automated responses > to problems that occur. For example, we can specify that certain types of > errors or exceptions will trigger emails to the system administrator. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Sanchez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:27 AM > To: JRun-Talk > Subject: debugging Jrun 3.0 with JBuilder 4.0EE > > > All, > > I'm trying to debug my code in Jrun 3.0 sp2 using JBuilder EE 4.0. > Doing this, I follow the instructions in > http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=20830 > <http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=20830&Method=Full> > &Method=Full > and it works but... > > I noted that after I performed a "step into" or "step over" operation in my > code the connection between IDE and the server is loosed. > Even after use a "-debug" option for the server in this way: -start > c:/Allaire/JRun/servers/default jrun.rootDir=c:/Allaire/JRun -debug > connection is loosed. So I have to restart the server again and again :(. > > So, I need to know if there is some tricky in order to mainting the > debugging session. > > I found a work around to debugg but is too tedious: > I have to set many break points and perform the trace jumping between each > break point using "resume program (F9)" operation > and in this way CONNECTION IS NOT LOOSED. > > Is really hard to debug in this way. > > Any help will be really appreciate it > > Regards, > > Paul Sanchez > Software Engineer > Objeq > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tel: (593)-2-2268349 x 518 > Objeq: "We help you deliver high quality, on time, cost effective software" > Visit http://www.objeq.com <http://www.objeq.com/> to find free resources, > information and tips on how to deliver successful software projects > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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