I can't make a comparison between JBuilder and JRun Studio because I have not used Studio. With the exception of the debugging issue that we have been discussing I really like JBuilder. Specifically, I am using JBuilder 4 Enterprise Edition.
I have used VisualCafe, Forte, and NetBeans before and JBuilder 4 and 5, (I haven't tested 6), are better than all of these in my opinion. I do a lot of JSP, servlet, and EJB development and it makes this process much easier. Its integration with CVS version control is very good as well. JBuilder's fatal flaw is its price. I could buy a car for what an enterprise edition license costs the average person. I don't believe that the extra capabilities JBuilder provides are worth the difference in price over these other IDEs. The reason that I use it is that my current client is a university. They can get JBuilder for a very low price because of educational discounts. I would never pay the full price. If you are looking for a free IDE I recommend Forte Community Edition version 3 (www.forte.com), or the latest build of Netbeans (www.netbeans.org). JBuilder personal is OK as well but its license states that you can't use it for production code. Forte and Netbeans are both decent IDEs. They may not automate everything for you but they provide good basic services and the price is right. They are both extensible, as well, if you want to build your own add-ons to automate things like EJB deployment. You can get a full blown version of Forte for a price that is much more reasonable than JBuilder. I am still waiting for the day when you can buy a great Java IDE with full J2EE functionality for less than $200. You used to be able to get Microsoft's Visual C++ for that kind of price and it worked very well. I don't know what their stuff costs these days. I think that a lot of Java software vendors are hurting themselves by beeing way too greedy. Competition from open source projects is the result. -----Original Message----- From: charlie arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:18 PM To: JRun-Talk Subject: using IDE's (was RE: debugging Jrun 3.0 with JBuilder 4.0EE) While we have the ear of two who've used JBuilder, can anyone speak to whether someone doing simple Jrun development (JSP, servlets/javabeans/custom tags and only a little EJB) would benefit from the tool? I mean, I fear some tools would lean toward their heritage of building java apps and applets, which in many ways is quite different from servlets (less so beans and perhaps custom tags) and certainly different from JSP. So, would you recommend JBuilder as offering that much over Studio? And how about JBuilder personal vs pro vs enterprise? And how about 4,5,5, and 6? All variants of those are available on E-bay at reduced price ranging from a couple hundred to a couple thousand dollars (and the retail prices of the current versions are of course much higher). Just curious if anyone can share practical advice to those who may not be in a position to just shell out big bucks when the value of a tool is unclear. Yes, the specs say the product offers lots for servlet/jsp developers, but is that value all that much over the elegant simplicity of Studio. Admittedly, Studio isn't the best editor for pure java editor, but it suffices. I guess the question is, does JBuilder (or indeed Forte, or any other editor) really offer that much over Studio? I'm sure in some respects, they can't match Studio (tag editors, tag insight, RDS database processing, RDS debugging, etc.) /charlie -----Original Message----- From: Mark Phelps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:09 PM To: JRun-Talk Subject: RE: debugging Jrun 3.0 with JBuilder 4.0EE I was the one who wrote the article you mention. I see exactly the same problem when I debug. I'm not sure why it happens and I have never spent enough time to see if there is a better way of doing things. Even when the debugging works, I usually find it so slow to load that I can't stand to use it. There may very well be a better configuration that will give you what you want but I have not found it yet. Our solution at my current assignment has been to create a flexible logging API that allows us to monitor everything that happens inside the application. It is not as nice as a propper debugger for finding bugs but it is great for monitoring the application and providing automated responses to problems that occur. For example, we can specify that certain types of errors or exceptions will trigger emails to the system administrator. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sanchez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:27 AM To: JRun-Talk Subject: debugging Jrun 3.0 with JBuilder 4.0EE All, I'm trying to debug my code in Jrun 3.0 sp2 using JBuilder EE 4.0. Doing this, I follow the instructions in http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=20830 <http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=20830&Method=Full> &Method=Full and it works but... I noted that after I performed a "step into" or "step over" operation in my code the connection between IDE and the server is loosed. Even after use a "-debug" option for the server in this way: -start c:/Allaire/JRun/servers/default jrun.rootDir=c:/Allaire/JRun -debug connection is loosed. So I have to restart the server again and again :(. So, I need to know if there is some tricky in order to mainting the debugging session. I found a work around to debugg but is too tedious: I have to set many break points and perform the trace jumping between each break point using "resume program (F9)" operation and in this way CONNECTION IS NOT LOOSED. Is really hard to debug in this way. Any help will be really appreciate it Regards, Paul Sanchez Software Engineer Objeq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (593)-2-2268349 x 518 Objeq: "We help you deliver high quality, on time, cost effective software" Visit http://www.objeq.com <http://www.objeq.com/> to find free resources, information and tips on how to deliver successful software projects ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. 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