I don't think Macromedia wants to try to compete with JBuilder, VisualAge, etc.  Web 
developers are our main audience and strengths in the visual tools arena.

If you want a good Java IDE, a great one to try is IDEA from <www.intellij.com>.  It's 
great for productivity.  Has a lot of features for real programmers that other Java 
IDEs don't.

If you want more bells and whistles, wizards, built-in debugger, etc.  the obvious 
choices are JBuilder, WebGain Studio and Forte for Java.

Generally, I recommend a simple, programmer-oriented (rather than wizard oriented) IDE 
or editor (cvim, emacs) and a separate debugger program like Karmira Bugseeker.

Scott S.
Macromedia


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:41 AM
> To: JRun-Talk
> Subject: Re: JRun 4 beta 2 and OSX
> 
> 
> does macromedia have any plan to make a java deveopment 
> program kind of like
> dreamweaver or are they going to stick with just the jsp side 
> of things?
> 
> if that is the case. any recomendations on a good java 
> development program
> and a book?
> thanks
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