But that is not the case - not at all.  JSecurity Logging interfaces
(all 2 of them + about 5 implementation classes) is far less than
SLF4J, which has at last count 46+ interfaces and classes.

Again, I'm talking about a featherweight wrapper - not a full
abstraction layer.  All I wanted to support out of the box was 3
implementations:  A console logger on < JDK 1.3.  A JDK 1.4 logger if
they don't include any other dependency, and a SLF4J one to handle all
other cases.  I just love the fact that we wouldn't have forced
dependencies.  1 jar.  That's just awesome :)

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I feel that we might be moving to a consensus that
>
> JSecurity Logging API == SLF4J Logging API
>
> functionality wise, size wise, and class number wise.   The logical
> conclusion is then obvious.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On Jul 11, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>
>> I'm completely open to delaying the vote.  However, I am curious as to
>> your thoughts.  Do you think there are more opinions out there?  Or that we
>> haven't fully discussed it?
>>
>> I started to feel like we were going in circles, repeating the same
>> arguments over and over.  And no one new was contributing opinions.  That's
>> why I suggested the vote.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>
>>> With my champion/mentor hat on I would have to say that this vote is
>>> premature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm calling for a vote to use a thin wrapper API (that already exists,
>>>> just not integrated) as our components' primary interface for logging
>>>> functionality.  This would not be a logging framework, but just simply
>>>> delegate to any implementation: Commons Logging, SLF4J, etc.
>>>>
>>>> +1 will be a vote in favor of incorporating this change.
>>>> -1 will be a vote in favor of NOT incorporating this change.
>>>> 0 will be the usual abstain vote.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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