Thanks for being cool about it. That type of attitude is precisely why Asen & I started JSMentors. We wanted to have a place where devs could exchange ideas in a nice, safe learning environment. The fact that you apologized is really awesome and shows that the list is working.
Thanks, Rey From: Jason Persampieri Sent: 11/8/2011 3:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JSMentors] Studying Javascript....Need help..badly.. Sure. Apologies if my last post came off as inflammatory... Reminder to self: never post pre-caffeine. :) On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Rohit Mehta <[email protected]> wrote: > Guys..please cool it..both parties have merits..please don't turn it into a > warzone.. please. Lets focus and keep it. Healthy debate..after all aim of > debate should be progress and not argument :-) > > sent via Android > > On Nov 8, 2011 11:09 PM, "Jake Verbaten" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I did not learn to program assembler, do not make the silly assembly to C >> comparison. C is a different order of magnitude more high level then >> assembly. >> >> On the other hand, yes learn C, yes learn ASM. I regret I don't know ASM, >> I should. It's on the to do list. >> >> Yes the vast number of people did use a high level abstraction first, but >> that's the wrong way to do it. ideally you do both in parallel. it really >> depends whether you are learning or trying to get a job done. If your just >> learning then do it the slow and painful way, it's worth it. >> >> If you have a job to do, then cut corners (There might be better corner >> cutting tools then jQuery though). >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Jason Persampieri <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> You folks advocating against starting with jQuery, did you learn to >>> program in assembler? Do you understand what's going on at the register >>> level and know that your code is as efficient as possible? If not, what's >>> the difference? >>> I would wager that a vast majority of "experts" today learned a high >>> level abstraction first, then decided to dig deeper. At the end of the >>> day, jQuery is just a high level abstraction over the DOM (for the most >>> part). >>> Sure, there are folks who don't care and will never take the opportunity >>> to learn, but I'm betting that we have a *ton* more JS expertise now simply >>> due to jQuery (and the other libs) making frond-end development more >>> approachable. >>> Telling people not to use it when starting out sounds like "I don't care >>> if it would lead to more total expertise in the field, I just don't want to >>> have to deal with all the riff raff." >>> _jason >>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Rohit Mehta <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks :-) >>> >>> sent via Android >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2011 10:21 PM, "kik" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Amit is right. -1 for JQuery. Start with the basics and stay far away >>>> from 3rd party software. Write your own code. Extend it until you realize >>>> what mess you made - then start over and rewrite it all. >>>> Learning is best done by making mistakes - it should not scare you. One >>>> of my favourite sayings: >>>> >>>> "Don't be afraid to try new things. Remember, amateurs built the ark, >>>> experts built the Titanic." >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Amit Agarwal <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> -1 to jQuery. Libraries make developers lazy. >>>>> -Amit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jason weng <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> So, you can learn start from jQuery.<330.gif><330.gif><330.gif>, i >>>>>> think jQuery is enough for UI purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> --------------------------------- >>>>>> 翁建 (jason weng) >>>>>> Web designer, The Plant Co., Ltd. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://theplant.jp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Rohit Mehta <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, Shoulld have mentioned.. I am an Interaction Designer and need >>>>>>> to learn for UI purpose >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Anatoly Geyfman <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Love the Garden, haven't come across it before, thanks for the link. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Anatoly Geyfman >>>>>>>> http://www.geyfman.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 3, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Jake Verbaten wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read >>>>>>>> - the garden >>>>>>>> - the good parts >>>>>>>> Learn about node.js then just write code, write more code, write >>>>>>>> more code. Write entire web applications using only javascript. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Rohit Mehta >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What would be the best way to explore and learn advanced level JS? I >>>>>>>> know the basic..but need to go to the next level. Can anyone please >>>>>>>> guide me? Need help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman >>>>>>>> list: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman >>>>>>>> list: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman >>>>>>>> list: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Rohit Mehta >>>>>>> Interaction Designer >>>>>>> +91 98235 17361 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://in.linkedin.com/in/rohitrmehta >>>>>>> www.twitter.com/rohitrmehta >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman >>>>>>> list: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>> >>>>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> -- >>>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> >>>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>> >>> -- >>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> -- >>> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >>> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >> >> -- >> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] > > -- > To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > -- To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] -- To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]
