> Ok, first thing Jim, is that I am not a newbie. I am only a
> newbie in JSP, not the Web/E-Commerce industry as a whole,
> there is a difference.
I was addressing the general You, not you specifically.
>
> Seconly, Jim, when I said that some ppl might not have the
> necessary resources, especially in small companies, to do the
> implied procedures before mailing this listserv, I was not
> talking about myself, I was speaking on behalf of other newbies.
Again, my comment applies to such companies in general.
> Thirdly, about questions already been asked, well here is
> something to think about.
<haircut story snipped> :-)
> Same thing here, an answer to a question was
> already posted, so what? You ask it again, I'm sure you will
> get new answers not listed in the archives to the same
> question. If you are a Developer and think that there is
> only one concrete way to implement something, then you are in
> the wrong business buddy, no offense of course. Everyone
> will give you a different answer, and there are new people
> joining this mailing list everyday that didn't have an
> opportunity to answer this question but perhaps has another
> solution that has not been previously documented. P.S. I
> would like other members to comment on this particular pa!
> ragraph for their opinion.
You make a valid point within the context of some types of questions, but
usually out of scope for the newbie questions you seem to be defending. Take
the newsgroup comp.lang.perl.misc as an example. It still has a strong
contingent of expert contributors. If someone asks a "newbie" category
question, someone may point them to the perlfaq or other documentation. This
hardly deserves any additional response. OTOH, the questions on how best to
perform some task often get many replies. Guess what? All those replies are
found in the archives. Now what happens if you try some of those techniques
and fail, or you don't understand what is meant by the reply? You might post
your results and ask what you're doing wrong. Maybe you made a syntax error.
But when you post your code and say what you did to get where you are and
show you did your preliminary research, you stand a much greater chance of
having someone help you out.
> Jim Wrote: (not me)
> <<"If you are "desperate for quick answers" you do yourself a
> disservice
> posting to a newsgroup and waiting hours or days for an
> answer when you can
> look it up. If you don't know how to research, learn how.">>
>
> In regarding the rather ignorant comment above in quotes, you
> are assuming too much. If someone wants a quick answer, and
> posts it on this site, just tell me who told you that they
> will wait for the answer and not look for more documentation
> on the subject during their wait? Please tell me who told
> you this, i'm curious, was it God? hehe
Well, I have known people who would not pick up a book and research a
problem, relying instead on someone to hold their hand. Sad, but true.
> So don't worry about novices Jimmy boy, no one is doing any
> "disservice" to themselves at all, i'm sure. Developers have
> deadlines, it's life. If you post a question on a site and
> wait for the answer, be sure to loose your job. And i'm sure
> there aren't any developers as ignorant as that, they will
> look for documentation while they wait, and maybe the
> question was only a 'just in case' method, while they did
> their real research over the net.
I hope you're right, but some of the questions posted here lead me to the
opposite conclusion.
> Now if you carefully read my previous email, you will see
> that I did agree on most comments about newbies asking
> questions, all i'm doing is asking you to empathize since we
> were all there once.
I think a standard response with a pointer to the FAQs, JSP websites, online
docs, and list archives would help these people help themselves.
> As for some members asking where to find tutorials on JSP or
> server side technologies, perhaps you might find it more
> productive to do a search on Altavista or Hotbot. It would
> be much faster, trust me.
Agreed. So, in order to generate something useful out of this long ongoing
thread, how about developing a list of resources -- a metaFAQ or something
similar?
> So take no disrespect Jim, but just think about it.
None taken.
Cheers,
Jim
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