I am sorry if I was unclear on that point, but I did not at all mean to put my question in the context of looking for employment (I have a job here in Sweden). I was just trying to spark off a discussion about the certifications as such.
> -----Original Message----- > > Mattias, > > Someone else on this site said it before me, and I totally agree with it. > Don't waste your time obtaining a certification. Use your time to build a > portfolio of web site using different approaches and different > technologies. > Take a laptop with you when you interview, and ask your > interviewer (not the > HR person, but the technical interviewer), if he/she would like a 5 minute > overview of the web sites you have designed, and how you designed them. > This should open the floor for questions, and give you a chance to "sell" > your skills. Make sure you have your favorite IDE's on your laptop, along > with your favorite JSP/Servlet/EJB server, so you can open the code up and > answer questions. This will not only showcase your skills, it will also > show the interviewer that you know how to work with "xyz" tools to get the > job done. > > Almost anyone can study/memorize enough stuff to pass a test, but not > everyone can actual program sufficiently in the real world to get the job > done. And it is the person with a proven track record of finishing and > deploying projects that will grab my attention first in an interview, vs. > the person who has passed 2-3 certification exams, but does not have the > experience and the references to back up his/her expertise. > > One last thing, if you really want to build a working portfolio, consider > donating your skills to some of the non-profit agencies who need web sites > built for them and do not have the funds to pay. Here in Dallas, > the local > Jr. Colleges have posted a list of non-profit agencies who are requesting > programmers to donate their time/skills to building web sites for them. > Although working for free does not sit well with some people, keep in mind > that having a working web site that you can point to during your > interview, > in addition to your portfolio, can earn you extra brownie points in the > interview that could land you your next job. And it is going that extra > mile that will make you stand out from the crowd when the > decision on who to > extend an offer to is made. > > Celeste > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mattias J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:58 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [OffTopic] Certification > > > In the "Looking for java Positoin" thread, somebody mentioned > certification > as a way to spark off your career. That brings to mind a question I've had > about the certification, that you fellow "listers" (a new word?) > might have > an opinion on. > > If I understand the information on > http://suned.sun.com/US/certification/java/index.html right, you have to > have the "Sun Certified Programmer for Java 2 Platform" before you can get > the "Sun Certified Web Component Developer for Java 2 Platform, Enterprise > Edition (J2EE[tm])". This seems rather reasonable. > > What bothers me is that the the "Sun Certified Programmer for Java 2 > Platform" includes AWT knowledge. As stated in > http://suned.sun.com/US/images/certification_progj2se_07_01.pdf (page 8), > this includes "using ... LayoutManager ... and resize behavior,and > distinguish the responsibilities of layout managers from those of > containers". > > Surely I start my Java journey learning to program GUI applications with > Swing (and thus some AWT). But since I have been developing web apps only > for the last year or year and half, I do not remeber how to use the layout > manager (thought I remember clearly I hated them...). But if I want to get > the J2EE certification I have to learn this again to pass the basic > certification (am I right?). > > What does everyone else think about this? > To me it seems like some PR move from Sun, so that everyone with a > certification must know how "wonderful" their AWT technology is > and be able > to promote that. > > > Mattias Jiderhamn > Expert Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] =========================================================================== To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
