On 01/31/2013 07:25 PM, Ichiro Furusato wrote:
Hi Glen,
Unfortunately, from a legal perspective there is no ability to
differentiate what might be called "pure facts" from their expression,
and expressions are copyrighted.
I can't see how that would be the case, for then there would be no
benefit to making facts uncopyrightable
(http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/not_copyrightable.htm). What you're
saying is that if one newspaper writes "Bob Smith is the new Mayor", no
other newspaper may write that sentence, because "Bob Smith is the new
Mayor" is not just a fact (not copyrightable) but an expression (always
copyrightable), completely defeating the purpose of not making facts
copyrightable.
Any attempt to extract "pure facts"
from expression without proper license is called plagiarism.
Really? If the website says:
Britain's awesome capital is London!
*or*
The capital of the Great Britain is London.
And I write:
The capital of the Great Britain is London.
I can't see, in either case, how I've committed plagiarism.
However, I happily agree with your conclusion that you draw from your
view, namely, just starting fresh and new is best for us.
Quote: But if Janne is willing I don't think there'd be any issue in him
simply selling the rights to [the website to] Apache for $1, i.e., any
legal handover would do.
Perhaps a nice-to-have, but I don't believe Apache *must* have the
jspwiki.org site (Does Apache own any other non-Apache URL in that
manner?). Janne could probably just shut down the site (return the
domain to the ISP he bought it from), or if he wishes, replace it with a
blank page. I'm sure for lots of Apache products {productname}.com or
.net or .org will return 404s. "Buy up every URL containing the project
name" can't be part of the incubation-leaving process. But if Janne
wants to sell it to Apache, why not? Maybe he can get a pizza out of it...
Regards,
Glen
Ichiro
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Glen Mazza <glen.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
I wish Janne, you would have gone through jspwiki.org and deleted the 20-60%
of the site that is obsolete today. Let's shrink the problem and see where
we are after that. At any rate, http://www.jspwiki.org/, as you describe
it, is an orphan work and probably not usable for us. Maybe we should just
shut it down. If we create our own Wiki (with everything henceforth Apache
licensed), within a few to several months it will probably repopulate with
the most useful material that was on the old site anyway. I would suspect
pure facts from www.jspwiki.org *can* be transferred to the new site as
facts aren't copyrightable.
Can the Commons-licensed http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.4/ be donated to Apache or
does it have the same copyright problem as http://www.jspwiki.org/ ? It
would be nice if we could move http://doc.jspwiki.org/2.4/ to the Apache
site.
Quote: "Well, because of trademark issues it would be odd that Apache would
use the word JSPWiki and I'd have still control of the domain." Not
necessarily, Apache doesn't own www.chemistry.com, www.tomcat.com,
www.pig.com, www.chemistry.org, www.camel.com, and probably many others. I
think the main thing though is that the site can't act like it's the Apache
product. With the two sites above shut down or moved to Apache, you might
just be able to release the domain instead of giving it to Apache.
Glen