PRG III rules COBOL sucks...circa nineteen forgotten Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341
-----Original Message----- From: Rick Hightower [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:00 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Web Framework debates online OS2 rules! NT sucks! Former OS2 user group member circa 1994... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:48 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Web Framework debates online As the certified and certifiable old fart in the group, here is my take. All the inventors of technology or frameworks or languages or whatever were invented/created/authored by individuals or small groups of individuals to ease some pain they were feeling or a small number of these creative events were from academics that just wanted to prove a concept, but even that fills a need. So unless you happen to share that pain, then their creation may not fill your own need to ease the pain you feel. Drew and I talked about this very thing a couple of years ago over a BBQ and I don't think it has changed much. I remember the flame wars that could erupt if you happened to say something like "wordstar is best" in a group of techies, or "word perfect is best" or "visicalc rules" or "______ is best". Conversely "_____ is crap" can cause the same kind of flame war. So just about anybody can fill in either of those blanks above with any of: AJAX, Laszlo, ZK, Google Web Toolkit, ThinWire, RoR, OGNL, Tapestry, Cocoon, Struts, WebWorks, Ruby, TCL, Python, PHP, Java, C++, JSF, JSP, JSTL, Alarius, etc. And I am quite sure that while reading this some of you are already filling in your favorite blank for each of those. But take care, no matter which one you choose to fill either blank and somebody on this list will think you are quite wrong, they just don't feel the same pain you feel. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Hicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:36 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: [jug-discussion] Web Framework debates online There's a lot of heat being generated online about the growing plethora of web development frameworks. Often, the comments and replies to the articles are more informative and useful than the articles. Here are a couple of links I ran across this morning, for those who are interested in trying separating the light from the heat (apologies to those who are just waiting for the dust to settle): Ruby cheerleading, but the replies/comments have some useful info: http://www.oreillynet.com/onjava/blog/2006/06/isnt_rails_supposed_to_change. html Matt Raible's take on it (also with some useful replies): http://raibledesigns.com/page/rd?entry=re_what_web_application_framework --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
