Personally I think JSF is a deranged mess.  After watching Craig and his
clan go over at JavaOne I was like "and this is 'better'???"...  However I
asked him, he said that Struts would have a JSF compatibility layer.
Theoretically JSF is the same idea as EJB only for the UI layer or that�s
what they're billing it as.  Theoretically, you're not going to write all of
the stuffola surrounding it, you're going to buy Sun's tools.

If you want MVC...look at Tapestry, it doesn't suck.
(http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry)

-Andy


On 9/25/03 6:21 AM, "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Don Brady wrote:
> 
>> (2) Open source developers were largely left out of the JSF JSR 127 (see
>> http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/ ).   They will left to a very
>> late start compared to the members of the JSR, and will not get source
>> code,as far as I know (or at least have not got it yet).    Is this a major
>> error?
> 
> Depends. Looking at the list of members on the EG, Craig [lead] is also
> the lead on Apache Struts. Shawn Bayern was a lead on JSTL, James Strachan
> [taglib author, one of the Geronimo people etc] was on there and the ASF
> had another person [I presume] though I've no idea how that part works.
> 
> I believe Struts have had a plan for JSF for a while. The biggest problem
> is that the JCP doesn't allow an open source project to discuss plans for
> a JSR with anyone who isn't on the JCP [which means they have to assume no
> one is on the JCP], so it appears as though they're being quiet.
> 
> In addition, David Geary and Hans Bergsten definitely represent the
> individual developer.
> 
> Hen
> 
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