I listened to David Geary's presentation tonight (15 Mar 04) and
occasionally responded, but let one thing slide that I wish I'd
followed up on at the time. 

In his talk, IIRC, Geary said at least once something like "JSF is a
standard, Struts is not." Do I misremember?

If not ... frankly that sounds to me like either

* b******t (to give the FCC-approved version :-)

* shorthand for "JSF is a JSR, Struts is not, and the JCP decides what
  real Java standards are."

What I'm wondering is, are there folks who would consider the latter
statement _not_ b******t? If so, why? Because ISTM that the many of
the Jakarta (and other Apache) tools are pretty damn standard--e.g.
Ant, Tomcat, and, for that matter, Struts. Am I missing something?


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