can any body decide now what he wants ;( just kidding. Jukka makes a valid point here. people tend to dislike discontinuity! considering - this is a solution finding process - SuperZoomPanTool is not as stable as expected i will revert the Alt-Shift, Alt behaviour to it's former state.
additionally i'll check if there is a more generic way to work around "os already uses our shortcut" issue. ..ede On 29.12.2012 12:47, Giuseppe Aruta wrote: > I agree with Jukka, if it is possible to leave original JUMP keyboard > shortcuts in OpenJUMP. It makes easier to move from OJ to Skyjump or Kosmo. > Peppe > > 2012/12/29 Rahkonen Jukka <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Hi, > > These basic shortcuts have always existed and behaved in a similar way > (Alt, Shift-Alt, Ctrl, and Ctrl-Alt). If we had real users doing every day > work with OJ they might get frustrated because the change does not make usage > dramatically better, just different. OJ itself may have only developers but > Kosmo and SkyJUMP have also normal users and probably they will continue to > use the old shortcuts. Perhaps it would be better to keep these old ones as > they are also in OJ but I do not have a strong opinion. > > -Jukka- > ________________________________________ > Lähettäjä: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] > Lähetetty: 28. joulukuuta 2012 23:58 > Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use > Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Fwd: add kosmo shortcuts? > > not necessarily.. what you describe was mentioned in a source code > comment of OJ, that clicks can become micro drags depending on the hardware... > > we still have the option to go back and use Shift for the PanTool. that > way we would get the zoom to fence back but loose the only free modifier > key.. i could live with that. wanna try? > > ..ede > > On 28.12.2012 22:47, Rahkonen Jukka wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am sometimes digitizing with a computer which has keyboard and touch > screen and with that computer I like most to use stylus and touchcreen > instead of mouse and it makes some things different. One difference is that > click with stylus is not stable (or my hand is not) and therefore with the > new shortcuts the one-click zoom-in does not necessarily work but it becomes > a short panning. Same happens if you try to digitize with a normal mouse > while sitting in a moving car. > > > > We can well forget these special problems now. We will meet them and > many more if there will be JUMP for tablets one day. > > > > -Jukka Rahkonen- > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > Lähettäjä: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] > > Lähetetty: 28. joulukuuta 2012 19:50 > > Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use > > Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Fwd: add kosmo shortcuts? > > > > On 28.12.2012 18:39, Rahkonen Jukka wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> The new zoom shortcuts do not update the scale value in the box below > the map. > > > > probably fixable > > > >> I also found that Alt-drag, while it is nice for panning, makes it > sometimes hard to zoom in if one is using a stylus for digitising or is in a > move because mouse does not stay exactly at the same place during the click. > > > > sorry, can you elaborate? > > > >> Alt-Plus and Alt-Minus key for zooming are not very usable because > user must use both hands for the operation. I would rather keep the mouse in > one hand all the time. > > > > you can.. simply don't use the /additional/ keyboard shortcuts, but use > mouse buttons as you are used to > > > >> I tried also that Alt-gr button does not work here. > > > > yes that has no function up to now > > > >> My opinion at the moment is that old Alt and Shift-Alt shortcuts were > a bit better for me, > > > > except of the scale meter bug above you have exactly the old Alt key > behaviour. difference is panning replaced "zoom to fence". > > > > or what are you missing? ..ede > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Master HTML5, CSS3, ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET>, MVC, AJAX, Knockout.js, > Web API and > > much more. 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