Le 15/05/2013 16:04, Larry Becker a écrit :
This is this "kind of" thing. I'm not sure I fully understand your
example though as I cannot see any reason to activate the menu
with Attribute View 2 and to deactivate it with Attribute View 1
in SkyJUMP.
Clicking the Attribute View belonging to the project and gives that
project focus and enables menu items for that project's context. In
this case, it is enabling and disabling based on the selection.
Oh, I missed that you have selected a feature in one project and that
Buffer (Multiple Ring) needs a selected feature.
Agree that in this case, SkyJUMP has the behaviour I suggest and not
OpenJUMP.
Moreover, I notice that things would be more clear if the project name
was included in the Attribute View title bar.
Michaël
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Michaël Michaud
<michael.mich...@free.fr <mailto:michael.mich...@free.fr>> wrote:
Hi Larry,
I'm going to stand with Michaël on this one. Here is why: In
SkyJUMP (and probably JUMP) it behaves this way and it seems
natural. I suspect this capability has been lost along the way
since OJ has added more sophisticated support for window
management and multiple views. Here is how I tested so we can
see if I understood exactly what Michaël was going for:
1. I created two new projects, each with one rectangle in one
layer. In project 2 I selected the rectangle.
2. I opened an Attribute View for project 1 and project 2 for the
one layer in each.
3. With Attribute View 2 as the active window, I went to
Tools->Analysis->Buffer (Multiple Ring)
For SkyJUMP the menu was active and for OpenJUMP it was not.
Make Attribute View 1 active and SkyJUMP greys out the menu - OJ
does not change.
@Michaël: is this what you meant?
This is this "kind of" thing. I'm not sure I fully understand your
example though as I cannot see any reason to activate the menu
with Attribute View 2 and to deactivate it with Attribute View 1
in SkyJUMP.
In the ticket, I probably mixed several small consistency
problems, and to be honest, I noticed several of them on plugins I
added.
But as you see, the rule to determine when a plugin must be
activated is not so obvious.
My main point is that a plugin should be deactivated when it
cannot get all the information it needs from the context.
Ex. if there are two projects opened and none of them is active
(ex. the active windows is the output window), there is
no way to know in which project you want to work (no plugin except
drivers has a combobox to choose the target
project). So most plugin should be deactivated (currently, some
plugins are still activated).
On the other hand, when there is no ambiguity and the plugin can
get all the information it needs
from the dialog box (ex. one project only, and a layer selector
in the plugin dialog box), I cannot see
any reason to grey it out.
I can see limits to this rule though : if a plugin needs selected
features, making it work when the attribute table
is active may be misleading as the plugin will work on features
selected on the view, not with features selected
on the table !
So I can admit that some plugins must be activated when one
particular window is active and not the other
and that layerview and attribute view must not always be
considered as equivalent from the plugin perspective.
Hope I could clarify (It has probably not been clear in my mind
from the beginning ;-)
Michaël
regards,
Larry
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Michaël Michaud
<michael.mich...@free.fr <mailto:michael.mich...@free.fr>> wrote:
Hi,
> On 14.05.2013 19:54, Michaël Michaud wrote:
>> Le 14/05/2013 10:32, edgar.sol...@web.de
<mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de> a écrit :
>>> On 14.05.2013 08:43, SourceForge.net wrote:
>>>> ==> Should be activated if no layer is selected but a
Attribute table is active
>>>> Generate > Create point layer
>> I think plugins which have a layer chooser in their dialog
box should be
>> available
>> every time a the active frame is related to a task
including at least
>> one layer.
>> Selected layer, if any, should be proposed first.
>>
>> Don't you think so ?
>>
> sorry, lost me here.. can you give steps?
> why should 'Create point layer' be active when an attribute
window is active?
OK, I realize that what I feeled like something obvious is not...
I think that as a user, I have to know in which project I
work (it is
not the same
to create a point in project 1 and to create it in project 2)
But I generally don't want to bother about which window is
active, if they
belong to the same project. Just want to work on my project.
The plugin may update the view, the table, both, create a
report, etc. It
is not related to a particular "view" of the project.
In "Create point layer" case, my last operation was to check
or to edit
some
coordinates in the attribute table. Now I want to create the
points. Why
should I have to explain OpenJUMP I don't want to create them
in Attribute
table but in the view. I just want to create them in my
project. I don't
want to
bother which is the active frame and click the view just to
have the menu
available.
Oh, this may not be a great example, but hope it makes my
perspective
more clear.
> the plugin draws in the task frame, hence it should be
active only then.
Maybe you point a technical issue I did not see. My point is
that the
user generally does
not need to bother which frame is active. In some cases, the
soft may
need to know
of course.
Michaël
>
> ..eDe
>
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