Note, I haven't read the thread completely yet. But:
I am with Michael. It's not obvious to me what the gain of this would be.
Using the Plugin menu seems to me a central point for other developers 
to make stuff available if he does not know (or care) where to put it, 
and vice versa: a good spot for users to start looking on new stuff.

will read, hopefully over the day, the other responses.
stefan

Am 07.12.14 11:56, schrieb Michael Michaud:
> Hi Ede,
>
> Not sure I understand how you want to manage true extensions.
> I think an extension which is not included in PLUS distro still need to
> be initialized through its initialize method rather than through
> default-plugins.xml (or did I miss something).
> As I understand it, for extensions, it's still up to the developper to
> decide where the plugin will go. I think there may be a few reasons
> why it should go in plugins menu rather than in tools menu :
> - it may take place in another menu than tools
> - it may be difficult to insert it at the right place (see my hack for CTS)
> - it may be easier to find a tool in plugins menu for a user if he knows it
> added it as an extension (dropping a jar in ext dir)
>
> Note that I'm not against moving current extensions from Plugins to
> Tools where it makes sense, but redirecting MenuNames.PLUGIN to
> MenuNames.TOOLS seems a bit rough.
>
> Let's hear others as everybody has a different opinion when it comes
> to put tools at the right place ;-)
>
> Michaƫl
>
>
>> now that the possibility is there to move plugins freely within OJ via 
>> default-plugins.xml i'd like to resuggest:
>>
>> let's retire the main menu Plugins entry. generally it serves the same 
>> purpose as the Tools entry, so why not merge it into Tools?
>>
>> from the coders point we can easily make this backward compatible by changing
>>    MenuNames.PLUGINS = MenuNames.Tools
>>
>> if we want specific places for some plugins we can redefine them via xml, 
>> e.g.
>>
>> Plugins/JumpChart -> Tools/Statistics/JumpChart
>>
>>
>> comments? ..ede
>>
>> PS: the FillPattern entry should be deactivated. if Geoff needs credits he 
>> should modify the info printed in the About/Extensions panel ;)
>>
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