of course you are correct and the HM cubes are off-chip and not on-chip as my 
auto correct stated before.


the only point i wanted to make and here i want to close the loop to colton’s 
posting.

In my eyes, there is a significant difference between an barista 7280R and a 
PTX1k, both from the software features and scaling in terms of software and 
hardware.   Jericho+ and derivates (like barefoot’s tofino) will change this in 
the future on the HW side. On the SW side things look different.. EOS itself 
has a modern architecture, but the quality of routing code when it comes to 
scaling and features is a different beast.  Even if a lot of features became 
commodity in the past the ability to hold 30m routes in the RIB is still a 
complicated thing to do…

in the end it’s like always in life,

you get what you pay for….


/hannes




> On 17 Dec 2016, at 21:42, Saku Ytti <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 17 December 2016 at 21:26, Hannes Viertel <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
>> PTX1k is based on the paradise chipset and uses only LPM. The lookup memory 
>> is HMC based and is entirely on-chip. ( that’s at least the fpc3/ptx5k 
>> behavior, i’m relatively sure  it’s the same for ptx1k without having 
>> checked it explicitly)
> 
> The 3*2GB HMC are off-chip memory. Two of them are for packet memory,
> 3rd one is for lookup tables. Bloom is on-chip. FPC3 is same, except
> only 2*2GB HMC, halving packet memory.
> 
>> The issue i have is not the black art part…the thing with the current 
>> implementation in EOS is that it’s highly dependent on the prefix 
>> distribution and  you have to monitor in order to not shoot you in your 
>> feet… And given the current capacity limits of Jericho you probably will see 
>> issues more in the 700-800k prefix range than in the claimed 1,2m FIB 
>> entries.  Assuming the current FIB size in the DFZ, * I  * would want to 
>> know the exact limits and have some reasonable margins. Will that change? 
>> sure… but today it is like it is and *I* would not bet my job on it…
> 
> The actual FIB count you get out of PTX1k will depend also, the HMC
> itself is not the bottle neck, you'll run into other problems before
> filling 2GB of HMC (Trio LU is 256MB RLDRAM).
> So like always, you gotta test on actual demands and either that works
> or does not work.
> 
> Sure PTX1k scales further because of the off-chip memory, but if
> you're near the edge of the scaling limits you gotta test. But in case
> of PTX!k or -SE, you can throw money at the problem and avoid testing,
> if your requirement is exactly DFZ, then you can safely know there
> will be no risk for the foreseeable future.
> 
>> but again, your milage may vary...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>  ++ytti

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