Hey Tony! I certainly agree that we need to continue to have a simplified interface with notebooks (standalone), in addition to letting others have a more complex experience. I'm glad you expressed this.
Happy to answer the nteract bits a little more. > if/when nteract ships with a bundled kernel, I can see it being great for use with this user community Tim Head and others have created a simple setup ( https://github.com/nteract/snakestagram) that creates conda environments on all our supported platforms and I've tested it out as a kernel ( https://github.com/nteract/snakestagram/issues/7). If there's dedicated work to finish that off, we could certainly have it in the beta. Out of the box we could support an embedded kernel for Python, R, and Node.js, though the overall package will be fairly big -- at least it would be self contained though! > even more so if the ability to launch temporary or multiuser nteract instances from a remote instituional server accessed via a browser A few of us are working on that now, hopefully I'll have a good blog post about it soon. Right now it's simply rendering notebooks in https://github.com/nteract/commuter, the plan is to allow it to be one big multi-user hub that enables sharing first and foremost. In order to get to this, the individual modules and components from nteract notebook are being exported as packages ( https://github.com/nteract/nteract/tree/master/packages). -- Kyle On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tony Hirst <[email protected]> wrote: > Looking at the notes - *We encourage users to start trying JupyterLab in > preparation for a future transition * - I have a question re: the roadmap: > > - will Jupyter notebooks continue to be available as such once Jupyterlab > is available? (could a jupyterlab instance be configured to just mimic a > simple notebook UI, for example) > - will Jupyterhub continue to supplort multiuser deployment of Jupyter > notebooks? > > One of the attractions of Jupyter notebooks in education and for > supporting use of code outside computing discipline is that the notebook > interface is relatively simple and friendly without all the sidebar chrome > and menus and features and tools and stuff that make IDEs a terrifying > experience for most people. I'm keen to be able to keep using a simple > clean interface from the off with students and nontechies. > > I'm lobbying my institution to make notebooks available locally, a process > that will take 3-6 months to get deployed and then be expected to not > change much for a chunk of time. What should I be lobbying for?! I'm > pitching for novices to be able to access simple notebook UIs without any > need for too many features in the first instance. > > (eg if/when nteract ships with a bundled kernel, I can see it being great > for use with this user community (even more so if the ability to launch > temporary or multiuser nteract instances from a remote instituional server > accessed via a browser).) > > By way of trying to express my general concerns, as opposed to just being > critical of the new... Looking at things like RStudio, it used to be > relatively simple... but as it gets richer features and more powerful > tools, and experts who've grown with it just have to keep up with it, and > maybe also demand more of it as they get more expert/professional, it just > gets more complicated and scary for novices coming to it for the first > time. Sometimes less is more. The on-ramp needs to be kept simple. (Or at > least, it helps if there is a simple on-ramp somewhere...). There are risks > to always developing more and moving away from the simple offering that > appealed to folk in the first place... Which isn't to say I don't like the > new features that appear with each new release of eg Jupyter notebooks and > isn't to say that Jupyter project shouldn't become an ever more powerful > tool for expert and power scientific computing users. > > But it's easy to forget that the experience of welcoming new features as > you perceive they're missing, because you're growing in expertise as the > tool acquires more powerful features, is different to someone coming to the > environment for the first time - as a simple notebook that did what it did > 3 years ago, to the more complex notebook it is now, to the yet more > complex Jupyterlab view? > > --tony > > On Wednesday, 15 February 2017 15:11:30 UTC, takowl wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've just released the first beta for Jupyter Notebook 5.0. Please try it >> out and let us know about any bugs. You can install it using: >> >> pip install --upgrade --pre notebook >> >> There isn't a headline big new feature in 5.0, but rather a range of new >> features and improvements. You can read about some of them here: >> http://jupyter-notebook.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changelog.html >> >> Thanks, >> Thomas >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Project Jupyter" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > msgid/jupyter/3d9410e4-096f-42a8-b5a7-43a88b5635d6%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jupyter/3d9410e4-096f-42a8-b5a7-43a88b5635d6%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kyle Kelley (@rgbkrk <https://twitter.com/rgbkrk>; lambdaops.com) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Project Jupyter" group. 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