Can you give more details on how this would work? I think what you are
saying is that the client when sending a known set of messages should
produce a known set of binary data. I agree this could be better, but it
would depend on the framework to support it. Could you explain a little
more what you were thinking?

-Jay

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Jeffrey Damick <jeffreydam...@gmail.com>wrote:

> For the testing purposes it would be extremely useful to have a generic set
> of packets defined to unit test what a client must be able generate and
> receive.  Then each client can be certified by testing against a known set
> of expectations for the packet parsing & generation rather than having to
> bring up a broker for unit tests.  Then as you suggest, some kind of
> integration suite would be useful as well, if the broker could run in some
> kind of test mode..
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Jay Kreps <jay.kr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dave wrote an excellent guide to implementing a kafka client here:
> > http://readthedocs.org/docs/brod/en/latest/spec.html <d...@datadoghq.com
> >
> >
> > One point that was raised in the discussion was that we don't currently
> > have a lot of standardization or documentation for clients. For example
> > there is no documentation on the site, inconsistent or no examples in the
> > source, and inconsistent or no integration tests for the clients. Overall
> > our approach to clients has been to be somewhat liberal in what we except
> > on the assumption that something is better than nothing. Unfortunately
> the
> > clients are somewhat harmed by lack of a clear model to follow.
> >
> > I was thinking it might be good to have a standard for these and try to
> > move the clients towards these standards and only take new clients that
> > meet the standards. Here is what I was thinking should be a minimum for
> us
> > to take a client:
> >
> >   - A patch for documentation
> >   http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/kafka/site that adds
> >   quickstart style instructions for usage. We should make the existing
> >   quickstart link a list with an entry for each language.
> >   - An integration test suite which can be run against a running
> broker/zk
> >   on the default port and localhost. Not sure of the best format for
> these,
> >   but maybe just a shell script that can be invoked by doing
> >   clients/<lang>/test.sh (the tests themselves can be in the client
> > language,
> >   this just gives a uniform way to run them as part of a regression
> suite).
> >   This script should exit with a non-zero code if one or more tests fail
> > and
> >   print diagnostic information.
> >   - An entry in the examples examples/src/main/<lang> directory which
> >   gives complete code for a working example.
> >   - An owner for this client who would be willing to maintain this code
> >   going forward. This probably isn't a hugely time consuming job, but it
> is
> >   good to have a contact person who can be point for questions or fixes.
> >   - A self-assessment of the "production readiness" of the client. I
> think
> >   it is fine to take proof-of-concept code since it gives people
> something
> > to
> >   work from, but it is good to be able to give people some assessment of
> > how
> >   production-ready it is so people don't run into problems and have a
> >   negative reaction to the project as a whole.
> >
> > Any other criteria we should add?
> > -Jay
> >
>

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