https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458037
--- Comment #3 from rik <r...@jilocasin.net> --- (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #1) > Can you clarify how the scrollbars are "too thin to be used"? The actual bar > itself is visually quite a bit thinner than its effective clickable area on > either side of it. Taking those areas into account, the actual interactive > area of our Breeze-styled scrollbars is actually quite thick--thicker than > those in all alternative OSs that we tested. I have fine motor difficulties and tremors. I am limited to a large two button trackball. Wherever possible, I set my scrollbars to be 30px wide, steppers at either end of the scrollbar, and a large amount of contrast (my eyes aren't as good as they used to be) typically dark blue for the slider and steppers and a pale color for the track itself. Fortunately, many third party applications, such as Brave, Vivaldi, Firefox to a lesser extent, allow me to adjust the size, type, width, decorations, etc. of scrollbars. Unfortunately, KDE doesn't provide such options for their native applications. Having magical invisible active areas may sound cool, but is a complete non-starter from an accessibility standpoint. Currently, colorations and controls are a frustrating exercise in trial and error installing (since none of them list all of the settings) countless themes to find the one that will hopefully cause the least amount of difficulty. The color settings don't encompass all of the objects. Frustratingly, application style is not standardized. Some themes allow you to edit it, others don't. Some allow say, scrollbar width to be adjusted, others like Breeze don't. The "MS Windows 9x" application settings has some of the most accessible designs, unfortunately, it's locked and **nothing** can be adjusted in that application style. So now, I'm stuck with scrollbars colored grey with a slightly darker grey track such that the slider almost disappears into the track and steppers that blend into the window frame. In some cases, the scrollbar disappears until you get close enough so that it magically re-appears. Like invisible active areas, might sound/look cool, just makes life more frustrating for some of us users. At the moment I am using Breeze Dark, with the Oxygen application style, steppers turned on, and thickness set to 30px. It's a bit of a mishmash and only *sort of* works. What would help would be a standardized way to alter the UI, coloring, thickness, inclusion or exclusion of elements (like scrollbar steppers), behavior (like disappearing scrollbars). Don't make assumptions based on what a person without difficulties can do. Don't limit users to what some programmer or designer thinks is neat or cool. Themes and application settings should **just** be convenient or artistic groupings of settings. For many users choosing a theme/application style is all that they will ever do. Users should never be dependent on the whims of a particular theme designer, limited to altering only those settings that the designer *allows* to be changed. I hope that helps, -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
