???????? Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:32:54 +0200, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>:
> El Diumenge, 21 de desembre de 2014, a les 21:15:02, Yuri Chornoivan va > escriure: >> ???????? Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:51:38 +0200, Albert Astals Cid >> >> <aacid at kde.org>: >> > El Diumenge, 21 de desembre de 2014, a les 19:10:44, Yuri Chornoivan >> va >> > >> > escriure: >> >> ???????? Sun, 21 Dec 2014 18:41:18 +0200, Albert Astals Cid >> >> >> >> <aacid at kde.org>: >> >> > El Dissabte, 20 de desembre de 2014, a les 18:47:37, Yuri >> Chornoivan >> >> >> >> va >> >> >> >> > escriure: >> >> >> ???????? Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:33:10 +0200, Albert Astals Cid >> >> >> >> >> >> <aacid at kde.org>: >> >> >> > docs.kde.org needs to be updated to track Applications/14.12 + >> >> >> > Plasma/5.1 >> >> >> > instead of 4.14 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Does anyone how to do that? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Cheers, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Albert >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> This can be done via index.php and generator in docs-kde-org git >> >> >> >> repo. >> >> >> >> >> But... there is no "14.12" in http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/ >> so >> >> >> >> we >> >> >> >> >> will lost all translations. >> >> > >> >> > Errr what? Why would be lose translations because of that? >> >> >> >> Oops... Dead code in the generator script: >> >> >> >> >> https://projects.kde.org/projects/websites/docs-kde-org/repository/revisi >> >> ons /master/entry/generator#L91 >> >> >> >> > You'll never find 14.12 there, you can find it at >> >> > http://websvn.kde.org/branches/Applications/ >> >> > >> >> >> There was also some sort of agreement that we do not generate docs >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> >> 5.x >> >> >> (too many branches, chaos, uncertainty where is what...). >> >> > >> >> > Too many branches? chaos? Where has that "agreement" been >> generated? >> >> > >> >> > I've never seen anyone complaining about chaos. >> >> >> >> Me first, yeah! ;) >> >> >> >> Some words about "chaos". ~20% of KDE apps have KF5 versions. >> > >> > That is a "KDE app"? >> > >> > What is a "KF5 version"? >> > >> >> Some of them >> >> have kf5-stable versions. If I for some reasons install KF5 what docs >> >> should I choose? >> > >> > What is installing KF5? The libraries? Or you mean Plasma 5 the >> desktop? >> > >> >> KF5 (5.x?), KDE 4.14, KDE 14.12? What all those numbers >> >> about? >> > >> > They are version numbers. >> > >> > KF5 is the version of the libraries. >> > KDE 4.14 is some old thing we don't ship nor support anymore (except >> for >> > LTS >> > kdelibs and kdepim*) >> > There's no KDE 14.12, there's KDE Applications 14.12, that is the set >> of >> > Applications we just released, some of those have dependencies in KF5, >> > some of >> > those have dependencies on kdelibs4, but you should not care the less. >> >> As a member of one distribution team (Mageia) I'd rather disagree. You >> cannot install both versions at the same time. > > Both versions of what? Plasma 5 and KDE 4 Workspaces (do not know the exact marketing names). > >> For sure, there is a little difference now. But soon... At least some >> apps >> (e.g. Kalzium) will loose some of there features (e.g. molecule viewer) >> because of porting and we should remove doc parts. >> >> >> This has two solutions: >> >> >> >> 1. Just keep two branches, stable and unstable. This way we should >> guess >> >> >> >> from SVN translation branches what version to choose to show on >> d.k.o. >> >> >> >> This is hardly reachable automatically. >> > >> > That is how it should be, i advocated the simplicty of this more than >> > year >> > ago, people said i was crazy and i gave in, we're now reaping the >> > consquences >> > of having 4 branches instead of 2 as i wanted. >> >> It would be hard to decide now what branch to choose. It needs some >> parsing of 4 subversion branches instead 2 branches that we have for >> now. >> >> The other problem that we need two versions of kdoctools (4.5-based for >> KF5-based apps and 4.2-based for kdelibs4-based apps). That has been >> already pointed by Luigi. >> >> >> 2. Keep all possible branches. It takes some time and efforts to >> rewrite >> >> scripts for two (three, more?) new branches (kf5-stable, kf5-master) >> and >> >> >> >> from kdelibs to kdoctools framework (not saying that there might be >> >> >> >> some >> >> problems with different versions of kdoctools). >> >> >> >> As it will be hard for average user and search robot to find the >> right >> >> docs from 4 (or more) cases and KF5 is still not widely adopted, >> nobody >> >> complained so far that there are no docs for KF5 applications. >> >> >> >> Moreover, we should redo almost all screenshots with the new default >> >> style >> >> (Breeze?) and have not enough KF5 users to do this. >> >> >> >> So this is not an urgent task so far, imho. Sorry for the pessimistic >> >> point of view. >> > >> > I think the thing is that you're looking at this wrong, there's no >> KDE4 >> > apps >> > nor KF5 apps, there's just apps, and those apps have documentation. >> >> Ok. I just look at this my way. ;) >> >> To be honest, I do not mind if any possible way to handle the current >> situation would be implemented. For now, waiting for more apps to be >> ported on KF5 is a reasonable solution for me. > > We may as well shut down the page if it's going to show old information > for no > reason. Why? The information is up-to-date now. Most distribution are not switched to Plasma 5. I said "for now" which means "for _now_". When Plasma 5 will be the main downstream proposal (since the spring of 2015) it would be _highly_reasonable to switch to its docs (and even then what to do with KDE 4 docs with non-Breeze window style for screenshots?). But _now_ it's just fooling around ourselves and users... Best regards, Yuri > > Cheers, > Albert > >> >> Best regards, >> Yuri >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Yuri >> >> >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > >> >> > Albert >> >> >> >> >> >> Just my 2 cents (usually Burkhard does all switches). >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Yuri >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> kde-doc-english mailing list >> >> kde-doc-english at kde.org >> >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-doc-english >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kde-doc-english mailing list >> > kde-doc-english at kde.org >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-doc-english >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kde-doc-english mailing list >> kde-doc-english at kde.org >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-doc-english > > _______________________________________________ > kde-doc-english mailing list > kde-doc-english at kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-doc-english
