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On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Sam Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Sam Hewitt <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I would agree (with less vehement) with George that single windowed chat >> applications are the way to go -see: Skype, most iOS, Android applications, >> and the direction GNOME wants to go with Empathy/Chat. > > iOS and Android apps have completely different form-factors and as such cannot really be compared with desktop chat applications (moreover, you still have two different intents (or however is that thing called) - one with the list and one with the chat). As for Empathy/Gnome - uhm...are we going to remove our shutdown button next? ;) I can also give you handful of other (maintained) apps that will not go into that direction, most prominent being Pidgin and PSI. > Hence this design: >> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/kde-telepathy-single-window.png >> >> Preferably to myself, having the single-window mode as an option for >> users would be nice, if not fully one or the other. >> >> *A case for single window mode:* >> >> 1. The single window mode would simplify the interface dissolving the >> need for tabulation or windows upon windows; the integration with the >> contact list would allow it to not only organize contacts buy provide a way >> of organizing chats. >> > That's not entirely true; the tabulation would still be there, just moved to a different place. What contacts organization you have in mind? What chats organization you have in mind? > 2. The addition of a new message count into the contact list would help >> with chat organization; prioritization of the contacts by unread message >> count (in addition to the user's choice of organization) would serve in >> place of the old method -clicking the contact in the list view opens the >> chat view for that contact. >> >> Yup, we have been slowly working towards exactly this. However you still need the "old method" for those that haven't sent you any message ;) > 3. In terms of behaviour of the window, when no chats are active it would >> appear as just the contact view, opening a chat extends the window and >> toolbar and the chat view appears -simplification of the toolbar would make >> this work -the addition of a "collapse" option in the chat view toolbar >> would effectively close an open chat. >> >> As I stated under the picture - this breaks fundamental design and goal of KDE Telepathy. Not that it cannot be changed/reviewed...however given our modular design, this can be put together quite easily. Maybe we can have both interfaces? Also I wonder if users really want this "new awesome trend". In the three years we haven't received a single report/wish/message to consider this. > 4. Notifications and panel entry (or whatever) urgency would notify the >> user of incoming messages. >> >> P.S. My vote for a new name is Konverse ;) >> >> What vote for a new name? We didn't start any vote nor we are going to (also it's a bit rude to come to a project and start suggesting new names :P) > Cheers, >> >> Sam >> >> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Georgi Karavasilev >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> So, I and Sam Hewitt have been working on UI overhaul for KDE-Telepathy >>> and here is what we have: >>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/kde-telepathy-single-window.png >>> >>> https://picasaweb.google.com/100530892038948253747/Hermes#5796541629370248226 >>> Changes include: >>> >>> - Single window mode >>> - Refined toolbar >>> - Improved chat pane design >>> - More >>> >>> I (George) have been having a bit of dicsussion about the single window >>> mode with Martin >>> Klapetek<https://plus.google.com/u/0/101026761070865237619> and >>> I gotta say that for me (can't say about Sam) the single window mode is a >>> must have, this means that if you decide to nuke that from the design >>> you'll have only Sam to talk with. Why is single window mode a must have - >>> because you currently have two windows - a main Contact window and a chat >>> window with tabs for different chats. This means that A) you can run out of >>> tabs space sooner or later B) Having to manipulate one window is easier >>> than two. >>> >> Question is - how often you need to manipulate the contact list? I personally start a chat from it and close it/hide it, so it's not getting into my way. I don't need it anymore, so why would I want to keep it visible all the time? Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
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