I'll offer my apologies then, miscommunication has definitely occurred which I've been involved in; I just volunteered some assistance and drew a quick mock-up of some ideas.
To address your points/questions/concerns: I (like to think I) understand the POV of developers -I do some rudimentary (an overstatement) development- given the code does limit design in a way. The icons right of the entry box are indeed for emoticons and an "attach file" icon -which I would agree isn't necessary given not all protocols under telepathy support file transfer. - Btw, what's the icon to the left of "audio call" in the toolbar? That would be a poorly drawn webcam, i.e. the video call icon. The naming thing, personally, I'm all for generic-ism. - search always enabled in the chat part The search was meant to be a contact list search for the ultra-popular users, not a search through the backlog for the chat history. - "if you're in a chat, do you want to see all your contacts"? - If the only way to start a chat was via the contact list, I'd agree. If we were completely standalone I'd agree. I agree with this, I don't want to see them; I understand the logic of a single window mode but I'm not a fan -contrary to the vehement of others. - I do want to try a vertical list on the text-ui rather than the tabs for all your ongoing chats. I think that would be a good experiment to do and test on a group of people. If one were to consider the vertical list in my mock-up to be simply for all active chats, and not a complete list of contacts, then it would be more cohesive with the ideas in motion. ;) Regards, Sam On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, David Edmundson <[email protected]>wrote: > I think we've all got off on the wrong foot. > > This all started on G+, so I'll post one of the comments from there. > "Just to burst the bubble, I am working with a few Blue Systems folks > to completely redesign KDE-Telepathy and I have the full design power, > so if it gets super sleek I'm to be blamed for. > NOTE: The current UI is terrible, so don't worry, I can't make it > worse ... no one can :D" > > Firstly I think there's some miscommunication going on here. Whilst we > appreciate input, comments feedback that's quite a long way from > blindly agreeing to spend the next 3 months of our free time to coding > something from someone we've not heard of. > (also we're not all Blue Systems people) > > Secondly, the last comment isn't the best way to join a team and a > community :) > > Now that's all been said, lets move on from that. > > I like that you've done a mockup, you've got plenty of ideas I agree with. > > From a developer POV, it's far easier if we just focus on one thing at > a time. Otherwise it's quite overwhelming. > > So breaking down all your ideas/differences: > > - message count in the contact list > > Totally agree. I'm working on this right now. > > Quite like the lozenge idea, might go with this in the "full" view. > > - contact list shows status message under the name > > Our "full" view looks like this. In KTp we changed to the much more > compact view simply because of the large number of contacts people > have and responded to the feedback > > - insert emoticon / send file next to send message box in chat area > > With you on the insert emoticon. I think I'll do that. > > Not so sure about the sending file (if that's what that icon is to > represent?). To me that's much more like the audio call, or video call > and belongs in the toolbar as it's not related to things appearing in > the chat. > > Btw, what's the icon to the left of "audio call" in the toolbar? > > - search always enabled in the chat part > > I don't search my backlog that often. I don't think it's that important? > (or is it for searching contacts?) > > - change presence changed to a single icon > > - single window > > The controversial one :) > > If the only way to start a chat was via the contact list, I'd agree. > If we were completely standalone I'd agree. But we can start chats > from not only the contact list, but the chat plasmoid, the > contact-list plasmoid, incoming messages, krunner, homerun, > kaddressbook and kmail (pending on the last two), > > We're in a situation where people have _huge_ contact lists, I have > over 300 (yeah, I'm popular!) so in IM clients we are moving away from > the old notion of wanting to have a browsable list, in essence, the > contact list is losing relevance as we start chats from other > applications where we're already interacting with that person. > > So you've approached this as "from the contact list would you want to > see the chats?", whereas we're coming from "if you're in a chat, do > you want to see all your contacts"? > > That said, I do want to try a vertical list on the text-ui rather than > the tabs for all your ongoing chats. I think that would be a good > experiment to do and test on a group of people. > > - name change > > Situation summarised here. > > > http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration/RepeatedDiscussions/Name#Current_Situation > > Have I missed any change suggestions? > > Regards > > David > _______________________________________________ > KDE-Telepathy mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy >
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