On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Ingo Malchow <[email protected]> wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 21. März 2013, 20:47:12 schrieb dE .: > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Ingo Malchow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Am Dienstag, 19. März 2013, 22:28:48 schrieb dE .: > > > > This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen. > > > > > > > > I switched to KDE when it was at 4.4. > > > > > > > > I personally, don't really mind the bugs, it reminds me how ignorant > KDE > > > > release team is; KDE was, is and never will be suited for the > enterprise > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it continues these 6 months feature focused release cycles. > > > > > > > > This mailing list is full of rants and complains and the KDE teams > > > > doesnt > > > > give a damn. > > > > > > This is a KDE user support list. By nature you won't find posts like > "Hey, > > > plasma is working, can you help me?"... > > > But seriously, complaints are always the loudest. Personally i am > running > > > KDE > > > *with* semantic desktop and kdepim, and it works very smooth. Note, > this > > > is > > > personal experience in my own workflow and machine. This doesn't > reflect > > > any > > > other situation. Do i ever write to such a list about my happyness with > > > it? > > > No. Happy users only rarely write something to mailinglists about > thanking > > > the > > > devs. > > > So even if this list is full of complaints, and - let's say - there are > > > around > > > 10 rants per month, nothing else, how does it compare to some million > kde > > > users worldwide? not at all. Hope you get the point. > > > > There ain't many bug related complaints about Xfce -- it's a lot more > > stable. I personally hardly found any bugs while using it. > > > > > > Again -- > > > > > > > > We DON'T want features pouring@speed of light, we need STABILITY so > KDE > > > > > > can > > > > > > > be _used_ by *common* people. > > > > > > > > Increase the release cycles to 2 years, or don't have ANY such time > > > > limiting goals; i.e. wait for the new release to become stable > enough, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > provide bug backports for the current stable release. > > > > > > > > Is Novel listening? I wonder how they manage with KDE. > > > > > > > > This mail is for sake of the project, not for MY personal > frustrations > > > > > > with > > > > > > > KDE. I deploy Xfce anyway. > > > > > > It pretty much sounds like frustrations. You take your own unstable > system > > > for > > > a global issue. Believe me, it is not. Neither do i say, as my system > is > > > highly stable every other system is as well. > > > As you said you do report bugs, which is highly appreciated. But like > with > > > all > > > bugs, they need to be reproducable, else they are hard to fix. The more > > > useful > > > information the better. > > > > I'd the same issue with Debian testing; also distros wont upgrade to the > > latest 'stable' KDE; they usually wait for the last bug fix release, or > > even skip a whole major release. > > > > Speaking of which KDE maybe an attractive option on Debian stable, cause > > the bugs wont increment (with major versions) there. > > > > You're basically trying to say here, I shouldn't complaint; and this's > > exactly why the project is in such a horrible state. The reason why I'm > > complaining is cause I want the situation to improve -- so does everyone > > else. > > I am quite fine with complaints, and yes, constructive criticism drives a > project forward. Only that you shouldn't think that when you see bugs > everyone > else sees them as well, because... > > > > > The moment you open upgraded the KDE desktop you see bugs. > > ... i did not see any showstopper bugs after upgrade. It just works. > > Ingo Malchow > And the inverse is also true, if you don't see bugs, doesn't mean bugs don't exist. KDE is used on different distros and hardware, with different backends; maximum of which should be tested before deployment.
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