On Fri Feb  1 11:07:22 2002, Nicolas Williams said:

> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 10:20:04AM -0800, Mike Friedman wrote:
> > Looking down the road around here, we may wind up having to populate our
> > KDC with alumni, in addition to the students, staff and 'affiliates' that
> > we have now.  Which means possibly exceeding 1M principals in the database.
> > Does anyone know if I should anticipate problems when/if the database gets
> > that large?  Are there folks out there actually running a KDC with anywhere
> > near that many principals?

>  - perf knees in BDB? I doubt it.

OK, good.

>  - load; how many of those 1M records are going to be active?

Good point.  Concurrent activity will probably always involve only a small
percentage of our registered principals.

>  - replication; how long does it take to kprop a database with 1M records?
>    How long does it take to dump such a KDB?

I forgot about that.  Right now, the entire propagation (unload, transmit db,
reload) takes about 5 minutes (the unload no more than 2 minutes).  In our
environment, where we do mostly web 'proxy' authentication, I have to deal
with the fact that while the master is being unloaded, updates (eg, passphrase
changes) don't work properly.  When these are being done by my cgi scripts, I
have to be prepared to handle this condition.  Currently, my code does this
rather primitively, but since the condition occurs rarely it hasn't been a
problem.  So, if dumping the db is going to take a significant amount of time,
I'll need to make my code more robust.

> I have implemented an incremental replication system in-house for
> dealing with replication. I recommend you look into doing the same.

I guess I'll need to consider this.

Thanks for the feedback.  My initial concern was mainly with the MIT K5
software itself, but clearly I need to worry about ancillary processes
as well.

Mike

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